That's the whole point.
All that can be gleaned from the link is "rumor" and "possibly".
In other words, "Maybe".
All that can be gleaned from the link is "rumor" and "possibly".
In other words, "Maybe".
I’m sure I read in the Lance Parkin biography recently that he was heavily coke-dependent but I could be misremembering.
*shrug*
I’ll take ‘maybe’ from someone who was there over ‘maybe not’ from a random internet guy.
Let’s leave it, anyway.
There's no proof of drugs whatsoever. How that becomes drug use is beyond me.
(But don't take it from me, because crucially... I wasn't there.)
I'm not a fan of publicly judging actors. If they commit a crime, they should get a trial and be judged there. Doesn't really affect how I view their work as actors.
No, there aren't.
There was one drug rumor going at that time. But that was about another actor and that one hasn't been confirmed.
I would like to see more concrete evidence before makig a judgement here. The point is that the people in charge of the show did lie twice when it came to the firing of the actress. They came up with one story, then they changed that one and then they changed it again many years later which were after the recent, sad events, something which makes it look like an afterconstruction, done th clear themselves from any faults.
Or to quote Janeway in Caretaker. "I need more than that!"
Now what are they saying: "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, fool me three times"...............?
And to call someone "a bombed out junkie" is actually rude and very insulting, especially when the person isn't here and can defend herself.
There are not a single scene which the actress did in VOY in which she looks drugged or "out of it in any way".
Finally some people with some compassion.
Ya'll might want to Admin this topic again......
Agreed. I’m out. I already said I’m out.
I think you hit the nail on the head. The inherent problem with the Neelix-Kes relationship was that it wasn’t really a relationship. It was a contrived pairing of not-well-thought-out characters who were expected to play off of each other but instead just served to show how mismatched they really were. First you have a character who is supposed to be two years old but not once ever acts like anything other than the 21 year old actress who played her. Then you have a much older man with the mentality of a ten year old who is basically presented as this young woman’s ‘savior’ despite being constantly portrayed as some goofball whose role on the ship is questionable and whose relationship with said young woman is even more.
But the thing is, Kes actually acting like the two year old we’re told she was supposed to be would have been much, much worse, for both parties.
Lien is stellar in American History X, at least by Jennifer's performing standards. That was shot after she left VOY, so it's a damn shame she couldn't capitalize on her Trek and box office successes to propel both her life and career forward. She's actually a believable and competent younger sister to Edward Norton's lead character and has good scenes with both him and Ethan Suplee, but after 1999 her entire trajectory as a person and actress just went in the toilet.
I'm not angry at you, we're just having a disagreement.
And I'm not 'giving her a pass', I'm arguing the validity of one specific claim.
I'll also leave it there, but with one final note...
That link specifically says rumors on all points, and the little two-sentence bit that mentions drugs says "A less circulated rumor claimed that Lien had actually been fired from Voyager because she had a drug problem." and simply links back to this BBS as its source of the rumor.
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Moving on from kes….
Perhaps this should go to “controversial opinions”… but I think berman stayed on too long.
Voyager sort of misfired and enterprise had so much potential and dropped the ball. There is such a thing as creative burn out.
For instance, I would posit that Daniel Craig would have been remembered as the second best bond (after sir Sean) IF he had hung up his ppk after Skyfall.
But creatives, like pro athletes, have a hard time letting go.
Perhaps this should go to “controversial opinions”… but I think berman stayed on too long.
Voyager sort of misfired and enterprise had so much potential and dropped the ball. There is such a thing as creative burn out.
For instance, I would posit that Daniel Craig would have been remembered as the second best bond (after sir Sean) IF he had hung up his ppk after Skyfall.
But creatives, like pro athletes, have a hard time letting go.
Neelix and Kes being a couple always came off cringy to me. Just about everything with their relationship would have worked out better if he was an adoptive father figure instead of her lover. The stuff with Paris even works more or less the same, you’d just be swapping out jealousy for overprotecting.
I'm not angry at you, we're just having a disagreement.
And I'm not 'giving her a pass', I'm arguing the validity of one specific claim.
I'll also leave it there, but with one final note...
That link specifically says rumors on all points, and the little two-sentence bit that mentions drugs says "A less circulated rumor claimed that Lien had actually been fired from Voyager because she had a drug problem." and simply links back to this BBS as its source of the rumor.
To clarify, since I provided that link, there's more in that article than just that, or I wouldn't have cited it the way I did.
The paragraph is this one:
After a few seasons on the show, more of Lien’s troubled waters began to seep out, Robinson and Wright reported. It became apparent to her costars and the producers that she was struggling with mental health issues and possibly addiction, they said, and her personal issues started impacting her ability to truly show up for her performances.
This is presented in the context of what was reported in the book. I've already posted my paraphrasing of this passage, and you already responded to that post. And I agreed with your response that it doesn't constitute evidence; I was referring to this passage.
This isn't anything not already posted or linked to, I'm just clarifying what's actually presented.
But note that what the authors of the book got was an explanation from the same people who earlier on had lied twice about why they fired Lien.
What I would like to see is some statement from some objective source.
I'm going to take the moderator's advice and move on from this topic. I've expressed my opinions on aspects in the Berman era regarding Lien honestly and sufficiently enough.
I don't blame you or question you in any way.
You have reported what you have seen and read and that's OK.
You have also done it in an objective and decent way so no objections from me.
It's not your fault that this thread which was supposed to be a thread about The Berman Era in general was turned into a bashing thread.
Personally I would like to see the thread continue as it was supposed to be, a thread about The Berman Era.
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Nowhere near as cringy as Chakotay/7 of 9. Which came out of nowhere, involved two individuals who had even less chemistry than N/K, and the difference in ages was far more pronounced. Plus, it literally only existed to be a plot point for the finale in which old Janeway mourns their deaths (but not Carey's.)
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