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Pretty much.
Worst Trek romantic pairing EVER.
Pretty much.
Worst Trek romantic pairing EVER.
I thought it would be hard to outdo Worf/Troi, but Voyager managed to do it twice.
The Worf/Troi thing was also a hasty artificial pairing created mainly as a plot device for the series finale, just like C/7.*
Most relationships in Star Trek are contrived nonsense.
*Actually, the plots of AGT and Endgame are pretty much the same, only Endgame has Borg.
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The same could have been said for Odo and Kira, except Deep Space Nine made it work.
I’ve always found it funny that while that at least had SOME kind of build up (the episode where they are trapped under the energy shield with the natives) the relationship is generally reviled.
Yet, Seven and Raffi had ZERO build up (did they even share scenes together until the S1 finale?) and people are ride and die with that relationship. So much so that they tried to make it a thing across the last two seasons despite them having the same “zero” chemistry that Seven and Chakotay had.
The problem with Seven/Raffi is that it was quite literally a 'tell, not show' situation. As you say, we see no evidence at all in season 1 that they are a thing. The only hint we get is the final scene where we see them holding hands for no apparent reason. So it wasn't even an issue of them being in a relationship. It was an issue of why they even bothered when it had nothing to do with the plot and came out of nowhere other than some kind of dumb shock value that Seven was gay. Then it was apparent that they really had no idea what to do with that for the next two seasons, so they pussyfooted around it.
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I was all for Raffi/Seven when I saw them holding hands in the S1 finale. It's true they weren't built up to at all, but that was okay. It wasn't a resolution of anything, but a hook for the future. Then S2 came along and, well. That'll teach me to have hope for things!
The problem is, is that you have to listen to the audio drama "No Man's Land" written by Kristen Beyer and set between the first and second season of Picard to find out how and why Seven and Raffi got together and subsequently broke up.
Any story that needs its audience to be familiar with supplementary material for it to make sense, is a bad story.
But we honestly should be getting back to talking about the Berman era of Trek.
The reason there was no buildup was because it was Jeri Ryan and Michelle Hurd who decided on the day the scene was filmed to hold hands rather than it being anything the writers planned.
Any yet they left it in. Unless they were too stupid to notice.
How exactly can one argue that Kira/Odo was 'a hasty artificial pairing created mainly as a plot device for the series finale'?
They had been building the relationship up for multiple seasons, and the characters got together a full season before the finale.
Well, perhaps not "hastily", but Ira Behr has said that the relationship was developed simply so Odo would had something to lose when he returns to the link.
Not to mention that Odo initially believed that Kira had shown no interest in him in that way when the female changeling impersonated her.
I'd argue that 'artificially' should be struck along with that 'hastily', and maybe even that new 'simply' too. All a matter of opinion though I guess.
This is the first I've heard that. I like it. I will say that Seven being bi didn't feel like shock value or out of nowhere. I thought Ryan and the actress who portrayed, um, whatsherface - the Marina Sirtis-looking woman who was harvesting ex-Borg for parts - played their scenes as if there was something other than friendship in their past.
But anyway, Berman Trek. Which largely pretended queer people didn't exist, a shameful note for a franchise so dedicated to patting itself on the back for it's progressive values.
Yep, and again, that was a decision the two actresses made rather than it being writer's intent.
Kes can be two Sol years old but still an adult as an Ocampan because they just age faster. That was the point of her appearance, not that a two year Ocampan should have the same physical maturity as a two year old human.
Then what was the point of constantly beating the audience over the head that she was two?
She might age faster physically and get all the adult reproductive changes, but there's no way she can simply accrue the same life experiences that another species can in the same amount of time. Trek loves to play with the cross-species romance thing but they never commit to how fucking weird and probably impossible that is.
Because every species in Trek with just a few exceptions, is humans with different makeup. Star Trek writers tend to aim high and then shoot low. They won't commit to there being differences. They have hybrids that should not even be possible to exist, the lastest blunder being Thok. They could have made Ocampans sexually mature early but only breed with other Ocampans and not as a romantic thing , or even better just left that all alone: Ocampans don't do romantic love. Even better, and just left friendship with Neelix as purely platonic. But B&B thought jailbait would sell. Safe bet. But when it didn't, they fired Lien and brought in 7.
So yes, anyone who finds Kes attractive may do so because her looks remind them of a sexually mature sorta human being, but somewhere inside their head they have to think "she's two years old" and if that doesn't give someone extreme moral issues or make them throw up in their mouth a bit, at least, they're either ocampan or there' something seriously wrong with them.
Kes was ultimately just another backdoor into making youth sexually appealing without getting into trouble for it, right up there with scantily clad faeries, pixies, etc.
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