My head canon is that she was with the Kazon and they have terrible technology.
Your head canon
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Wow great catch! I believe deck 11 is the deck below the shuttle bay, like the shuttle garage.
thx, I know my favourite series Voyager :-)
It would make sense if there was an area below the shuttle bay where they would store the shuttles not in use
Yes, because someone put up some pictures on this site once (one was a picture of Neelix's ship in the shuttle bay and one was of the Delta Flyer) and it looked like both of them took up a good deal of space.
The main events of Living Witness take place inside a MU permutation
Seven and Chakotay never get together
Seven and Chakotay never get together
It would have been the second animated series the first was in the 1973-74 Saturday morning and I liked them and have on VHS's and DVD'S. And I like all of Star Trek because it shows hope of a better tomorrow and that was Gene Roddenberry great dream that in my head canon
My head canon is, and no matter what post-Voyager novels induce, what would Janeway decide if, in s7, she was ordered by Starfleet 1) to take appropriate measures to facilitate the handing of the remaing Maquis crew to a missioned security crew, when Voyager would stop to DS9 station? 2) not to tell anyone?
We know how Janeway is very attached to the said Maquis crew and consider them as part of her crew, what is natural at this stage BUT, according to the way Adm. Hayes(?) still refered to them as Maquis, it seems that her view was far to be shared by admirality, and that in spite of all the time and millions of gigabytes of reports, official requests, etc.exchanged since the Doctor managed to get in touch with Starfleet.
So, to return to my questions,
- would Janeway decide to disobey orders and inform Chakotay, as her friend, and help him - and those who would want to follow him - to flee discreetly before the ship arrives at destination, with the help of Tuvok, Harry, Tom and maybe Seven, even if it means retaliations and dishonor later?
- would Janeway obeys blindly to her superiors, as a Starfleet brat she is supposed to be?
- would Janeway decide to split down the middle, in informing her friend, of the project of Starfleet, while indicating to him that she has no intention of doing otherwise (but promising to do her best to defend the Maquis crew, if there is an inquiry or a trial)?
because after, we can imagine what we want!
- would Janeway decide a mutiny, sure that Starfleet and the Federation will make Chakotay, B'Elena, etc...pay for their former activities, and decide to return Voyager in DQ, regardless of the danger involved and her crew's will to go home?
We know how Janeway is very attached to the said Maquis crew and consider them as part of her crew, what is natural at this stage BUT, according to the way Adm. Hayes(?) still refered to them as Maquis, it seems that her view was far to be shared by admirality, and that in spite of all the time and millions of gigabytes of reports, official requests, etc.exchanged since the Doctor managed to get in touch with Starfleet.
So, to return to my questions,
- would Janeway decide to disobey orders and inform Chakotay, as her friend, and help him - and those who would want to follow him - to flee discreetly before the ship arrives at destination, with the help of Tuvok, Harry, Tom and maybe Seven, even if it means retaliations and dishonor later?
- would Janeway obeys blindly to her superiors, as a Starfleet brat she is supposed to be?
- would Janeway decide to split down the middle, in informing her friend, of the project of Starfleet, while indicating to him that she has no intention of doing otherwise (but promising to do her best to defend the Maquis crew, if there is an inquiry or a trial)?
because after, we can imagine what we want! - would Janeway decide a mutiny, sure that Starfleet and the Federation will make Chakotay, B'Elena, etc...pay for their former activities, and decide to return Voyager in DQ, regardless of the danger involved and her crew's will to go home?
I've had this same thought. Also, along with the Maquis crew members what about Tom? His prison term wasn't finished. Would he have to finish his term?My head canon is, and no matter what post-Voyager novels induce, what would Janeway decide if, in s7, she was ordered by Starfleet 1) to take appropriate measures to facilitate the handing of the remaing Maquis crew to a missioned security crew, when Voyager would stop to DS9 station? 2) not to tell anyone?
We know how Janeway is very attached to the said Maquis crew and consider them as part of her crew, what is natural at this stage BUT, according to the way Adm. Hayes(?) still refered to them as Maquis, it seems that her view was far to be shared by admirality, and that in spite of all the time and millions of gigabytes of reports, official requests, etc.exchanged since the Doctor managed to get in touch with Starfleet.
So, to return to my questions,
- would Janeway decide to disobey orders and inform Chakotay, as her friend, and help him - and those who would want to follow him - to flee discreetly before the ship arrives at destination, with the help of Tuvok, Harry, Tom and maybe Seven, even if it means retaliations and dishonor later?
- would Janeway obeys blindly to her superiors, as a Starfleet brat she is supposed to be?
- would Janeway decide to split down the middle, in informing her friend, of the project of Starfleet, while indicating to him that she has no intention of doing otherwise (but promising to do her best to defend the Maquis crew, if there is an inquiry or a trial)?
- would Janeway decide a mutiny, sure that Starfleet and the Federation will make Chakotay, B'Elena, etc...pay for their former activities, and decide to return Voyager in DQ, regardless of the danger involved and her crew's will to go home?
It's one big pet peeve I have with Voyager's finale. They didn't show anything being resolved. Maybe the producers thought since they showed that everything was OK in the alternate time line before Janeway changed it, that they didn't have to show it again. Or maybe they thought they couldn't please all the fans, so they chose to please none of them.
I don't necessarily know if things that needed to be resolved would have ended up the same with Voyager getting home in 7 years as it did when they got home in 23 years. The issues with the Maquis may have still been on the minds of some of the ones that wanted them punished.
I do think a case might have been made that they served their time on Voyager.
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Even in the alternate timeline we don't know the fate of everyone. In the reunion party Harry shows up in uniform and we know he is still in Starfleet. There are people at the party in uniform and in civies. B'Elanna and Tom are both in civilian clothing and she says she is the federation liason(sp?) but that doesn't necessarily mean she's a starfleet officer. Tom talks about publishing novels...maybe in the future neither of them are still officers.
Actually I should have said that many things were not OK in the original timeline (that's why Janeway changed it).
In Star Trek anything possible with much is how you believe that things will go well with all of Voyager's Crew no matter what they had done before that was against Starfleet rules they had served with Honor on Voyager so I wish to believe that all was forgiven. And if you believe in multiple unverses then you wish could come true in one of them
I always felt like the reason she changed the past revolved around loosing Seven.
The question is...was everything ok or not? Seven died, Chakotay died, Tuvok went crazy. Other than that how were everyone else's lives? Harry is a captain he appears to have a successful Starfleet career. The doctor seems to be successful too. We don't know too much about to and B'Elanna but to me it stood out that they didn't seem to have anymore children. In Lineage they said they wanted a family, later Tom said he wanted to have more kids. So what happened that lead to them stopping at the one?
IF Starfleet still held it against its former officers for having dishonored (and betrayed) the organization in particular, by using the miltary training received to pursue criminal activities or activism, B'Elena Torres & Tom Paris would be those who would do best (1), because of their personal ties with a Starfleet Admiral (even if Owen Paris hasn't done a lot to protect his son after the Caldik Prime's accident - in the same time, what Tom's behavior was too serious! -, he will everything to catch up and behave more as a beloved father and about B'Elena, even if he doesn't appreciate her more than or still holds it against him for her past in the Maquis, she is is nonetheless his son's wife & the mother of his granddaughter, so, he will do his best to protect her too) & Captain (Janeway has always had a protective feeling for him & let's be honest, Tom had to prove himself worthy of her trust and a talented/sensible officer. And the same for B'Elena).
(1 ) The one who would be the more at risk (= with a stiffer penalty of imprisonment as seeing as death penalty isn't a conceivable punishment anymore), would be Chakotay, not only as a former & highly experienced senior officer but as the leader of the Maquis crew (usually, it is easier to take the fall guys but in military cases, it is often the leaders or ordering parties, who are searched and the most severely punished).
And I want to clarify, before being accused of Chakotay bashing, that I say that because of my personal experience of military discipline (2) and it is precisely that said experience, which makes me say that there is little chance and even none to see Starfleet and its bunch of admirals (except Janeway, who has come to know them) agree to recruit the non-Starfleet trained people from the Maquis and/or to rehabilitate and restore the former officers in their ranks after Voyager and from my point of view, it is natural. Indeed, it is not only, for Starfleet, a question of reputation but, it is too, the best to do to protect its rear (if these people - Maquis crew - were able to switch in the criminal activism, betraying by the same, the Federation and/or Starfleet policies for some of them, once, what would prevent them to do it again, by this time, diverting skilled crews, powerful vessesls & weaponry that they have been assigned with confidence for commissioned assignments, the next time a new peace agreement with a hostile alien population would be signed (with a risk of desire for hegemony from their part)?! Anyway, both organizations would NEVER take the risk of being betrayed again and/or endanger their people.
However, to be able to keep all these talented & trained people under its fold (and eventually monitor them to avoid unpleasant surprises, whether they have Janeway's and/or Owen's support), Starfleet with the consent of the Federation of course, could recruits them as civil personal and/or unofficial armed workforce in some politically sensitive issues
(2) Since I actively participate in this forum, I never said anything on me, like most of you, by the fact, right?! Well, I'm a jurist in criminal law in civil BUUUT, I started my professional career ... as a sort of ADA in the departement of military courts -> the french equivalent of the US JAG, if you prefer). And regardless of the country and/or the era, let me say that Army is always harder on those who have turned against military institution and its values/policy.
I regret that as well the producers as script writers for the TV show AND authors of post-Voyager novels, were so disinterested in the military topic, which is a so strictly codified & disciplined universe, especially these latter, because if they had informed more, they would have NEVER allow the former Maquis to officially become Starfleet and still less, made Chakotay, a Captain!
