Also, he did recognize her name on the Coal Hill memorial wall in the premiere of Class.
Your favourite pet theories of your own
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I was thinking about Orson Pink, and how was he was pretty clearly implied in "Listen" to be Clara and Danny's descendant. And how this was rendered impossible by first Danny and then Clara dying without any babies happening.
Then I realised that this was Missy's doing. Missy's plan in season 8 involved luring the Doctor out so that she could give him his birthday present. That required Clara dragging the Doctor to 3W, and that required Danny being dead.
(Yes, this is ludicrously overcomplicated when she could have just walked up to the Doctor at any time and given him his present. But this is the Master we're talking about, and ain't nobody loves an unnecessarily convoluted plan like the Master).
So Missy killed Danny, and in doing changed the future that Clara and the Doctor had already seen - the one where Orson was their descendant. The Doctor may be against changing the established future, but the Master ain't got a fuck to give. So Orson doesn't exist anymore because of Missy.
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Then I realised that this was Missy's doing. Missy's plan in season 8 involved luring the Doctor out so that she could give him his birthday present. That required Clara dragging the Doctor to 3W, and that required Danny being dead.
(Yes, this is ludicrously overcomplicated when she could have just walked up to the Doctor at any time and given him his present. But this is the Master we're talking about, and ain't nobody loves an unnecessarily convoluted plan like the Master).
So Missy killed Danny, and in doing changed the future that Clara and the Doctor had already seen - the one where Orson was their descendant. The Doctor may be against changing the established future, but the Master ain't got a fuck to give. So Orson doesn't exist anymore because of Missy.
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Moffat already said Orson Pink is in fact descended from someone else in the Pink family, Danny's sibling or cousin. Somehow it amuses me that Clara only gave her failing relationship with Danny another go because she thought she had to, only to discover that, oh hey, no she didn't.
Well oddly now that Clara has a TARDIS could she not go back in time and visit Danny and rekindle things?
Or she could do like the Doctor did with her and go back to a minute before Danny Pink was killed and save him.
And thus is the inherent danger of someone who doesn't truly understand the complexities and laws of time, bounding about in a time machine.. Ok sure.. Clara traveled around a long time with the Doctor, and Ishudir (sp?) is no idiot, but the Doctor KNOWS what can and can't be done and more importantly what should and shouldn't be done... Clara could really screw things up trying to right wrongs and rearrange things with the best intentions...
My own theory is that the two of them are mostly spending time on other worlds and in the future.. After all.. Ishuldir already spent her whole life living in the "past"....
My own theory is that the two of them are mostly spending time on other worlds and in the future.. After all.. Ishuldir already spent her whole life living in the "past"....
How does this tie into the fact that he was also Benik in "The Enemy of the World."
I like it. It actually makes quite a bit of sense.
Remember how the Doctor described it at the end of "Hell Bent." He still remembers the adventures he had with Clara in Seasons 7-9. It's just that there's a big, Clara-shaped hole in his memories. He remembers everything else except Clara, but because Clara is the only thing missing, he's able to infer her presence during those adventures, even if he can't remember a single detail about Clara herself. It's the reason why he could come face to face with Clara in the diner in the episode, tell her the whole story, and still not realize that it's her until he saw the graffiti portrait of Clara that Rigsy left on the side of the TARDIS.
For a similar example, in the anime series Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle, Princess Sakura loses all of her memories of her friend Syaoran. We later see this manifest in some flashbacks that she has where she's having a conversation with an empty chair.
I never had any doubt that K'anpo from "Planet of the Spiders" was the Time Lord hermit mentioned by the 3rd Doctor in "The Time Monster" & the 4th Doctor in "State of Decay." Not so sure about the old dude from "The Twin Dilemma" though.
She could try but she couldn't get pregnant. She doesn't have any bodily functions any more. Her body is perpetually suspended between her final 2 heartbeats before the raven killed her in "Face the Raven." Hell, I'm not even sure she'd be capable of sexual stimulation any more. (Kinda reminds me of Owen when he was partially resurrected in the 2nd season of Torchwood.)
NEW THEORY: The movie Spice World is part of the same alternate continuity as "Scream of the Shalka," where Richard E. Grant became the 9th Doctor instead of John Hurt. All 5 Spice Girls are different regenerations of the rogue Time Lady Iris Wildthyme, which is why the Doctor feels the need to keep an eye on her/them by acting as their road manager. This also explains why the Spice Girls' tour bus is bigger on the inside. It's an expanded version of Iris' TARDIS!
I kinda want to see a season-long arc where the Doctor & his companion return to Earth only to discover that humanity never existed and the planet is populated entirely by Silurians & dinosaurs. They spend the rest of the season trying to figure out what caused this catastrophic change in the timeline, only to realize that, in a misguided feat of do-goodery, Clara & Me rescued the crashing freighter that Adric was on in "Earthshock," thus changing the entire course of Earth's evolution. (I'm imagining a scene where some alien doctor examines the Doctor's human companion and finds herself baffled as to what species she is. "She's not a Thal or a Mondasian or a Migrated Alzarian...? The closest thing we have on record is some kind of... Earth ape.")
It also gives the opportunity to bring Matthew Waterhouse back. (I'm sure, eventually, they'd have to put Adric & the freighter back where they belong to restore humanity & the original timeline. Probably because the new timeline gets apocalyptically bad. Probably because, instead of hanging out on Earth, the 1st Doctor & Susan ended up hiding out on Skaro or Mondas or something, thus leading to them either getting killed in the atomic wars or converted into Cybermen.)
That would be bloody brilliant....... They wouldn't do it but it would be a fantastic story.
I could see 13 doing this..
You should write that up as a story and submit it to the BBC........ Seriously
It would be interesting to see any potential further stories featuring Clara deal with the impact that has on her, and to lay out the ground rules. If she's perpetually suspended between her final two heartbeats and her bodily processes have been time-looped, as the Doctor says, then it's logical to assume that her body 'loops' every second or so. Yet she can still think, speak, reflexively breathe and operate in real-time. Presumably she can't eat or drink but appeared to have a lemonade in the diner. Perhaps she's suspended between heartbeats in some metaphysical way, but it actually takes much longer, say a few hours, for her body to 'loop' and reset itself?
Another one:
* The Valeyard was the Sixth Doctor's Watcher. And he doesn't exist anymore. He existed only during the Sixth Doctor's time, because Six was an uncertain incarnation - capable of great evil and great good, like the Fourth Doctor before him. But its not as clear as that - he was a very possible future Doctor who almost existed (no pun intended). He tried to actively replace Six, as heard in the recent Six regeneration box set, but has failed and as a result, Six set course for a Doctor who was a little of both. Hence, the Seventh Doctor.
Furthermore, because Six took out his Watcher, the Doctor may never see his impending doom looming ever again.
* The Valeyard was the Sixth Doctor's Watcher. And he doesn't exist anymore. He existed only during the Sixth Doctor's time, because Six was an uncertain incarnation - capable of great evil and great good, like the Fourth Doctor before him. But its not as clear as that - he was a very possible future Doctor who almost existed (no pun intended). He tried to actively replace Six, as heard in the recent Six regeneration box set, but has failed and as a result, Six set course for a Doctor who was a little of both. Hence, the Seventh Doctor.
Furthermore, because Six took out his Watcher, the Doctor may never see his impending doom looming ever again.
Moreover, he wanted to replace Six after he saw that his interference in his timeline with the whole Trial thing only worsened his chance of ever existing, forcing him to actively become involved in his life like he did in End of the Line, Red House, Stage Fright and, at the end, The Brink of Death.
Not sure how Trial of the Valeyard fits in with this, though. Yet!
Not sure how Trial of the Valeyard fits in with this, though. Yet!
A theory of mine is that Liz ten(from Beast Below) is River Song's daughter. She grew up hearing tales of the doctor, which I think River would tell her. In the episode, it's revealed that Liz is 300 years older to her biological clock being wound down through technological means. What if that's not true. What if her long lifespan was inherited. We learned in The Husbands of River Song, that because of River being plus time lord she has an augmented lifespan, though she can no longer regenerate. True, Liz did not recognize River in the Pandorica Opens, that's easy to work around. It was revealed in TBB episode, that Liz had wiped her memories about the bulk of her life and falsely believed she reigned for a decade when it was for much longer. She could have wiped her memory of her mother for some unknown reason. Also, despite the difference in color, there is a resemblance in face between River and Liz.
The 6th Doctor was no more capable of great evil then any other Doctor. I swear, any Doctor that isn't some bland, cuddly doofus is "The DAAAARRRRKKKKK" incarnation. For gods sake, the man was just a bit pompous, a bit ill tempered, had some bad regeneration sickness and shot a cyberman once. The 7th did blatantly evil things in canon and he doesn't get this kind of crap thrown at him. Colin Baker's Doctor gets treated worse by things like the Virgin New Adventures and some fans then he was by Michael Grade.
The 6th Doctor was not evil. Period. End of story. He didn't have an evil bone in his damn body. Just because some people don't like a prickly Doctor doesn't make him evil. Calling him evil is as ridiculous as calling the 12th Doctor evil because he yelled at people or the 10th evil because he got a bit full of himself one time. Heck, the 1st Doctor purposefully kidnapped people knowing he was probably sentencing them to never returning home. That is more "evil" then anything the 6th Doctor ever did.
As for The Valeyard, he is a part of The Doctor's regeneration from somewhere in the future. He appeared once, and was then destroyed. Maybe if he had more then one canon appearance his existence would be less confusing, but as it is the idea of a watcher was stupid and nonsensical when the 4th Doctor had one and there is a reason they've never been so much as hinted at ever again, because the concept was bad. It was actually barely a concept because we have no idea what a Watcher is, why it existed or what its purpose was. Since no other time lord in canon has had one, as far as I'm concerned the only explanation can be that the watcher was an aberration that the 4th Doctor was aware of, possibly because he created it for unknown reasons, but it was a one time thing that had never happened before and never would again. The Valeyard could be several things, but I'd say him being a Watcher is just about the least likely option.
He tried to strangle his companion, mere minutes after regenerating.
That is all.
That is all.
