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Your Bottom 5 TNG

Force of Nature - 42 minutes go by, nothing happens. I remember one of the commercial breaks begins as LaForge and Data are in the jefferies tubes having a serious discussion about Data's cat spot. Just... wow.

Force of Nature is an episode I just can't understand.

The episode is clearly about environmentalism. The "environmentalist" of the episode is concerned about warp drive posing a danger to her planet's atmosphere and ecosystem. She wants the Federation to hault warp drive within the system so she can prove her theory. However, to prove her theory she detonates a warp core in the system, thereby completely destroying her planet's atmosphere and ecosystem. :wtf: Could someone please explain to me what this woman was thinking?
 
Force of Nature - 42 minutes go by, nothing happens. I remember one of the commercial breaks begins as LaForge and Data are in the jefferies tubes having a serious discussion about Data's cat spot. Just... wow.

Force of Nature is an episode I just can't understand.

The episode is clearly about environmentalism. The "environmentalist" of the episode is concerned about warp drive posing a danger to her planet's atmosphere and ecosystem. She wants the Federation to hault warp drive within the system so she can prove her theory. However, to prove her theory she detonates a warp core in the system, thereby completely destroying her planet's atmosphere and ecosystem. :wtf: Could someone please explain to me what this woman was thinking?

Yes, and the ramifications of all this was a shipwide non-emergency speed limitation of warp 5? Pretty weak stuff. An environmentalist episode of TNG might have been watchable but this one is certainly a mess.

Introduce someone to TNG with this episode and they'll never watch TNG again.
 
This is another one they just called in. They chose a subject they thought would get an easy pass I think, but forgot that that that subject could also be supremely grating. This episode was the perfect storm of being massively unimaginative, moralizing, and boring. It's amazing my television doesn't collapse in on itself or commit ritual suicide. It's got its seat in Star Trek Hell, next to "Spock's Brain" amongst others, being an episode that if watched by one new to Trek will not only not create a fan but will create an active detester of this ultimate of dork franchises.
 
Man... there are some REAL surprises in here. :eek: I don't consider The Inner Light or Dark Page to be among my TOP favorites, but I would never have thought people hated them so much, either. In no particular order, my 5 worst:
-Code of Honor (season 1) - not just for the whole "is it racist" issue, but simply because it was bad anyway
-Justice (season 1) - stupid premise, stupid costumes, stupid resolution... stupid
-Angel One (season 1) - see notes for Justice, above
-Man of the People (season 6) - it's funny... season 6 was, to me, when they began to finally get a handle on how to do Troi-centric shows that don't suck, yet this may be the worst Troi ep of them all
-The Child (season 2) - Ok... so Man of the People is the SECOND worst Troi ep of them all

As is no doubt obvious, my least favorite season is:
Season one if so awful it's just great fun to watch. It's like they were deliberately trying to recreate the cheese from TOS and it was fantastic.
I agree strongly with the notion that with season 1, they were trying to make it “feel” like TOS, and - whether by accident or by design - ended up reproducing (more than any other aspect) the cheesy, 60’s sci-fi flavored campiness of TOS. I disagree strongly with the notion that this was in any way a good thing or made the season fun to watch. :rommie:

Regarding The High Ground:

Like Rascals, the way the crew of the Ent-D reacted to a security alert is beyond incompetent, and it angers me just watching it.
Rascals did absolutely have a horrible example of lackluster security, but the events in The High Ground don't even come close.
Why does the Chief Engineer just aimlessly wonder near the warp core exposing himself after Picard ordered the alert?
He didn't "aimlessly wander near the warp core". He got up out of his chair, ceasing his normal work, when he heard the alert, in order to visually inspect the area around the warp core for signs of trouble. Makes sense to me. How was he "exposing himself"? By what logic is being in his workstation chair safer than standing near the warp core when your enemy can literally appear anywhere, instantaneously?
Why does the Security Chief have his back to one of the armed terrorists?
This one is TOTALLY unfair; I can only assume you haven't seen the ep in a while. He didn't "have his back" to any terrorists. He was standing at the tactical console as usual, monitoring the situation, when one of the terrorists (who - again - can literally appear anywhere instantaneously) shows up behind him. At which point, he turned around, weapon drawn.
Why is it the bridge crew didn't come to Picard's aid?
I'll grant you this was a little wonky. Trek often has a problem with these kinds of scenes... I get what they were going for, that it all "just happened too fast!" for anyone to do anything (that scene with Data scurrying over to where Picard and Finn were, just barely not in time to help, demonstrates this), but the pacing of the scene didn't convey that feeling like they wanted it to. Still, I find this to be an oft recurring problem not just in TNG, but in Trek generally.

The Ferengi in Rascals somehow succeeded in taking over the whole ship with a handful of intruders (where was everybody else? So the bridge got taken over... who gives a flying frack? There are ONE THOUSAND people on board). And that's all not to mention that the scene ON the bridge in Rascals was ridiculous. Worf didn't miss in The High Ground (despite the fact that he was getting shot as he fired off his own shot). Furthermore, the terrorists objective (destroy the ship) was, in fact, thwarted, despite the significant element of surprise and enormous tactical advantage they possessed.

Finally, one last point to remember: after they fail to blow up the ship but succeed in kidnapping Picard, the E-D crew cracks the problem of tracing the dimensional shift, gets together with the police forces to organize a raid on the terrorist base, heads on in, and kicks ass, rescuing both Picard and Crusher.
For me, it all boils down to two points. First, it basically glorifies terrorism as a way to achieve an objective. When Finn compares himself to George Washington, I want to vomit. Washington did lead what today would be called an insurgency, but he never did the kinds of things Finn does. Second, the end of the episode seems to be saying that "terrorism ends when one kids choses not fire a weapon." So, it simultaneously says terrorism is an acceptable way to gain independance and also something that needs to stop. Pretty bad story direction, IMO.
How on Earth does it glorify terrorism? The only scene that even lets off the gas on the "terrorism is BAD" message is the one on the bridge with Picard and Data, during which Data (who is ALWAYS questioning stuff like this; it's part of his character) asks about the complex history of terrorism. Picard basically ends the conversation by saying he can't give him a definitive answer. Other than that, it's pretty clear to me which side the ep (and the main characters) are on: terrorism is a bad thing. Finn's lines about George Washington made you want to vomit? Good! That seems to be the point; that's how the creators want you to react. Just because they also gave Finn a real personality and a hobby he's good at doesn't mean we're supposed to take his side, it just means they wanted to portray him as a real person (as many real terrorists - as deplorable as their actions may be - are), rather than a stock "BAD GUY". The scene with the Washington reference pitted two ldealogies against one another, as represented by Crusher and Finn. Why did you assume that the ep as a whole takes his side over Crusher's? Wouldn't the default position be for the episode and the creators to want you, the viewer, to side with the main character, the "good guy" in the room? She was no happier with his actions and comparisons to Washington than you were.
 
He didn't "aimlessly wander near the warp core". He got up out of his chair, ceasing his normal work, when he heard the alert, in order to visually inspect the area around the warp core for signs of trouble. Makes sense to me. How was he "exposing himself"? By what logic is being in his workstation chair safer than standing near the warp core when your enemy can literally appear anywhere, instantaneously?

The way he inspected the warp core was just a little too casual. It was a gentle stroll towards the warp core, exposing himself from all 3 dimensions. He could have at least grabbed a phaser or shown a little more urgency. It's no wonder he was nearly shot at the moment the terrorist beamed in.

I would say his workstation is safer actually, considering you've got the windows in front of you, and the consoles behind. Granted, you're not totally safe, but you're safer there.

This one is TOTALLY unfair; I can only assume you haven't seen the ep in a while. He didn't "have his back" to any terrorists. He was standing at the tactical console as usual, monitoring the situation, when one of the terrorists (who - again - can literally appear anywhere instantaneously) shows up behind him. At which point, he turned around, weapon drawn.

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As you can see, Worf clearly has his back to the terrorist near the turbolift, and she was the first to appear on the bridge, and Worf did immediately notice her. Then another terrorist beams in and Worf just turns his back. Lord knows why she didn't shoot him right there.

I'll grant you this was a little wonky. Trek often has a problem with these kinds of scenes... I get what they were going for, that it all "just happened too fast!" for anyone to do anything (that scene with Data scurrying over to where Picard and Finn were, just barely not in time to help, demonstrates this), but the pacing of the scene didn't convey that feeling like they wanted it to. Still, I find this to be an oft recurring problem not just in TNG, but in Trek generally.

The Ferengi in Rascals somehow succeeded in taking over the whole ship with a handful of intruders (where was everybody else? So the bridge got taken over... who gives a flying frack? There are ONE THOUSAND people on board). And that's all not to mention that the scene ON the bridge in Rascals was ridiculous. Worf didn't miss in The High Ground (despite the fact that he was getting shot as he fired off his own shot). Furthermore, the terrorists objective (destroy the ship) was, in fact, thwarted, despite the significant element of surprise and enormous tactical advantage they possessed.

Finally, one last point to remember: after they fail to blow up the ship but succeed in kidnapping Picard, the E-D crew cracks the problem of tracing the dimensional shift, gets together with the police forces to organize a raid on the terrorist base, heads on in, and kicks ass, rescuing both Picard and Crusher.
It's bad direction. Not just the bridge crew not coming to Picard's aid, but the entire scene itself.
 
sub rosa
i borg
imaginary friend
cost of living
the dauphin

i don't count "shades of gray" as a real episode. calling that piece of worthlessness a "bad episode" is giving it credit it doesn't deserve.
 
Justice
Sub Rosa
Shades of Grey
The Game
Remember Me
Code of Honor

That's off the top of my head. These are all pretty bad. What's funny is that I'll still watch and generally enjoy them regardless lol. The only two TNG episodes I find completely unwatchable are "Sub Rosa" and "Shades of Grey (not an episode)."

Yeah. I still find most bad Trek watchable. Just watched VOY's Threshold the other night, and laughed myself silly. Quite enjoyed it.
 
It's been too long since I've seen any TNG to remember specifics, but any of the really boring season 5 episodes would be in there for me – especially "Masterpiece Society," which was Chinese Water Torture dull.

In general, I would say boring TNG was more painful than technically bad TNG; some of the episodes listed here, such as "Masks," I can enjoy quite a bit because they're still interesting, even if they're retarded.

Agreed. I will take outright bad Trek over boring Trek. TNG got particularly notorious for talky, pretentious eps around season 5. Whereas something like TOS' 'The Way to Eden', TNG's 'Masks', DS9's 'Move Along Home', VOY;s 'Threshold', or ENT's 'A Night in Sickbay' at least gives me a laugh. :lol:
 
Interesting that 'The High Ground' was mentioned. I thought that was a fairly good ep, with an interesting moral dilemma, and more action than usual in TNG.

But Rascals? Yeah. That really was the worst security breach I've ever seen on a Trek episode. Worf freaking fires and MISSES? Data just stands there with a Ferengi training a gun on him? Freaking break its neck with your bare hands, Data! Riker sits there asking for damage reports when he should be blasting into those hunk of junk birds of prey with his full compliment of Galaxy class weapons.
 
...Whereas something like TOS' 'The Way to Eden', TNG's 'Masks', DS9's 'Move Along Home', VOY;s 'Threshold', or ENT's 'A Night in Sickbay' at least gives me a laugh. :lol:

"The Way to Eden" is so unbearably cringe-worthy! Maybe next to Spock's Brain the wost TOS ep. Maybe worse! I gotta look at a TOS ep guide...

More unbearable cringe-worthiness?
"Hammock Time!"
"Tuvok, has anyone ever told you you're a real freakasaurus?"
 
Howdy, I've recently began watching TNG and am almost through the first season. I watched it here and there when I was a kid and was suitably impressed with how incredible it looked so I decided to go back and see if it still held up......for the most part yes but now as I find myself turning off episodes halfway through due to profound boredom I'm wondering if I should boldly go through the other seasons. This thread isnt helping matters lol. Maybe I should have a look at some Top 5 Best episode thread instead. Please tell me it gets better.
 
I rewatched Sub Rosa the other night on Syfy. It's almost so bad it's fun. Gothic mystery in spaaace.

Willie the Groundskeeper: "I kinna be held ra'sponsible fer what heppin's to ya if ye stays in that house!"

Crusher waxes romantic about the alien lifeform she killed at the end. "That parasitic entity gave the women of my family so many orgasms..."

Beverly and her bad romances. Oh, this one evolved into a higher lifeforms, this one's a slug in a chick's body, this one is a noncorporeal entity that seduced your grandmother...
 
  • Sub Rosa - It's a ghost that ends up being an alien? C'mon! That's all we have left to work with? All you writers are fired


  • Shades Of Gray - Quick, we need another episode. Grab an editing machine & any action footage you can find


  • Cost Of Living - 2 of my least favorite characters, in all of Star Trek, have their own episode? How amazingly horrifying!


  • Suddenly Human - Uhh... Yeah you are Human, & quit your bloody screaming. You're giving us all a headache


  • When The Bough Breaks - Custodian, could you please make this episode not suck as much?

Dishonorable mention


  • Heart of Glory - Completely pointless, misdirected token Klingon episode much?


  • A Fistful Of Datas - Data in drag. Are we really that desperate to make some comedy happen?


  • Ménage à Troi - "We are Ferengi! We will have your women!" Fine! take them.... And never return
 
On most boards I read the typical Top5. Nothing wrong with that. But I think it would be interesting if people listed their personal worst 5 TNG episodes.

Here are mine:

5. Time Squared - I just don't get it...
4. Masks - Why was Season 7 so weird?
3. Time's Arrow, part II - What a letdown!
2. The Neutral Zone - Other than, "We are back!" the episode is pointless.
1. Shades of Gray - This will probably make most, if not all, lists.
Funny you should list TNZ as one of your least favorites. It's one of my faves. I've always loved it. One man's trash is another man's treasure, as my mom always used to say. Lol
 
Well, my opinion of TNZ is that it would have been an even better episode if it wasn't for those annoying 20th Century humans. Oh, how I wish they were left suspended in that derelict.
 
  • Heart of Glory - Completely pointless, misdirected token Klingon episode much?
I dunno. Heart of Glory sure has its share of boredom and dullness (like many early The Next Generation episodes do), but I wouldn't call it pointless. I'd say it interestingly reintroduces us to the Klingons and told us something about Worf's motivation and his reliability. As for its direction; I rather liked the lighting, camera work and music in this episode. If only all of this wouldn't play out so incredibly boring. :(

One man's trash is another man's treasure, as my mom always used to say. Lol
Your mother is wise. :techman:

... those annoying 20th Century humans. Oh, how I wish they were left suspended in that derelict.
Well, if Riker had his way ... ;)
 
The Inner light- it doesn't stink. But it's so over rated that I just really groan if given the choice to watch. Plus I thought the history of the character Picard relived was boring. Why couldn't he have been someone exciting?

Dark page- It was right after Phantasms. Why did we need to have 2 surreal dream sequence episodes back to back? This sucked and Lwaxana wasn't written very well. This was her last episode, she should have shone in it as her flamboyent self not some withered has been mommy who lost her kid.

Emergence - Crap holodeck story (again!) Crap alien CGI. Interesting idea though.

Masks- what good can be said of this? Well it only lasted 42 minutes. Utter garbage. Some things look better on paper than screen.

Liasons- Another cave set episode with gosh a really unforseen plot twist. I remember watching this the first run and thinking wow- this is going to be a really shit season. I predicted correctly. I also noticed that the cast seemed almost complacent in their acting- especially Marina Sirtis. She seemed overly confident that she had narrowed her character down. Compared to season 6 I thought it had slipped.

Its interesting how most of the stinkers in this thread are season 7.

I'm surprised Darmok is nominated. I thought this was revered as a great Trek template story and came closest to the spirit of TOS.

I liked Eye of the Beholder. The science was retarded but it was a cool idea and I like the way it tricked the viewer into thinking it was all real. It also built up nicely to Worf and Troi romance that never went anywhere.

Rascals- I love this episode so much. Its hilarious to see Alexander intergrate with the young crew. Its a shame Worf was affected too and Alexander wasn't older than him. That really would have been funny. I agree with the points people made about it being too easy to hijack the ship. If it was the Defiant the crew would have fought to the death and Janeway would have blown up voyager along with the Bird of preys.

Sub Rosa was a poor story. However it was filmed interestingly and the idea was cool if a bit corny so It didn't make bottom 5. I also didn't like measure of a man because it bored me to death. But as an episode to help Data's character grow it didn't make the list
 
"A Fistful of Datas" is awesome. By far one of the best episodes of season 6. So what if Data was in drag? Yeah, it was a lame gag, but it only lasted like 25 seconds. The rest of the episode was terrific. Definitely one of the better 'holodeck goes crazy' episodes.
 
The Inner light- it doesn't stink. But it's so over rated that I just really groan if given the choice to watch. Plus I thought the history of the character Picard relived was boring. Why couldn't he have been someone exciting?
Picard already has an exciting life. No need to have him live another adventure. Instead, he got to have what he never did in his real life - a life of a regular family man.
 
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