Poor Guy got smacked down by Hal and John pretty quickly.
It may be a problem when they do a show called Young Justice about a team of teen heroes and I'm far more interested in the subplot about the Justice League. All the Superboy/Luthor/Cadmus stuff didn't really interest me much. The League stuff was engrossing, though it would probably be less enjoyable to viewers unfamiliar with the DC characters and their backgrounds. For instance, the vehement "No!" to Guy Gardner is only funny if you know who Guy is and what he's like, and someone who only knows the DCU from this show wouldn't understand at all. Ideally, everything in a story should be understandable based entirely on what's in the story itself. If you insert in-jokes for the benefit of fans with a broader familiarity, it should still be done in a way that doesn't leave novice viewers/readers confused.
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Match did deteriorate into a Bizarro-like clone a few years ago, so I'll say, "Yes."
I agree with Christopher, the Justice League sub-plot was the most interesting part of the episode. I'm wondering if maybe Young Justice would have been better as a spin-off of a Justice League show set in this universe. Though, at the time, I was upset to learn that Teen Titans was not in the Batman/Superman/Justice League DCAU, in hindsight, I think it benefited from being on its own. Granted, it's hard to do YJ without the League, but at the same time, it hampers it.
Match did deteriorate into a Bizarro-like clone a few years ago, so I'll say, "Yes."
I agree with Christopher, the Justice League sub-plot was the most interesting part of the episode. I'm wondering if maybe Young Justice would have been better as a spin-off of a Justice League show set in this universe. Though, at the time, I was upset to learn that Teen Titans was not in the Batman/Superman/Justice League DCAU, in hindsight, I think it benefited from being on its own. Granted, it's hard to do YJ without the League, but at the same time, it hampers it.
I think it was a combination of Bizzaro and Superboy Prime.
There was a real Match from the comics.
No one loves Guy Gardner. People can interpret that in their own way lol.
No one loves Guy Gardner. People can interpret that in their own way lol.
I wasn't saying there was a systemic problem with having the League as part of the show; I think the relationship between the young heroes and their elders is an essential part of this narrative. I was just saying that the Superboy-centric plot in this particular episode was not very interesting in comparison to the JL plot they chose to pair it with. If they'd done something different for the A story, I might've found both plots equally interesting, but in this case they happened to pair a particularly strong B plot with a less engaging A plot. I'm just not all that interested in Connor/Superboy and all the weird sidekicks he keeps accreting, and the whole "Lex is Superboy's mommy" thing from the comics was just weird. Although I guess the idea that Superboy might have divided loyalties has potential.
Oh, and when Lex first sent that ultrasonic message to Superboy in the cave, am I imagining it, or were his lines a near-verbatim quote of Gene Hackman's Luthor when he did the same thing in Superman: The Movie? The bit about Superboy/man being the only thing not on four legs that could hear Lex?
I see your point re: the A versus B plot. I think they missed the fact that in the comics, recruitment plots are usually the central theme of the issue. A "try-out" episode might have worked to convey the same plot without trying to fit in a less interesting plot.
I can confirm this.
Not being versed in the minutiae from the comics, I found the recruiting stuff the weakest part of the episode.
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Which is why, I think a "try-out" plot might have worked. There you would have been able to see more of the abilities of those being discussed and they could have worked in a bio as well. It's not unprecedented, either as both Justice League International in the late 80's and JLA in the late 90's devoted an issue to it, needless to say the time honored tradition of the Legion try-outs.
Which is why, I think a "try-out" plot might have worked. There you would have been able to see more of the abilities of those being discussed and they could have worked in a bio as well. It's not unprecedented, either as both Justice League International in the late 80's and JLA in the late 90's devoted an issue to it, needless to say the time honored tradition of the Legion try-outs.
Now that I've seen the episode with the proper voice cast, I almost feel bad for having spoiled myself with the Portugese.
This was a solid episode, though I'm with Christopher in being far more engrossed in the Justice League stuff than the Connor stuff. The Connor stuff wasn't bad by any means, just kinda... paint by numbers to me? "Agendas" certainly was a good episode name though, seeing everybody's plans bumping into each other. Well-played Lex... well-played. Do you think the "Red Sun" code was also a shoutout, to the Red Son miniseries? Nice to see Guardian again, and fun little revelation that he's related to Red Arrow.
Guy Gardner getting shot down was hilarious IMO... and it's nice to see Weisman incorporating Icon and Rocket as (potentially) more than just quick cameos. The conversation about Robin was excellent, as was the one about Fate, Zatara, and Zatanna.
I wonder if Batman, since he knew Marvel's true identity before anybody else, knows M'Gann's?
This was a solid episode, though I'm with Christopher in being far more engrossed in the Justice League stuff than the Connor stuff. The Connor stuff wasn't bad by any means, just kinda... paint by numbers to me? "Agendas" certainly was a good episode name though, seeing everybody's plans bumping into each other. Well-played Lex... well-played. Do you think the "Red Sun" code was also a shoutout, to the Red Son miniseries? Nice to see Guardian again, and fun little revelation that he's related to Red Arrow.
Guy Gardner getting shot down was hilarious IMO... and it's nice to see Weisman incorporating Icon and Rocket as (potentially) more than just quick cameos. The conversation about Robin was excellent, as was the one about Fate, Zatara, and Zatanna.
I wonder if Batman, since he knew Marvel's true identity before anybody else, knows M'Gann's?
Some of the pettiness in the recruitment part turned me off. Guess I'd like the League to be above all that though maybe it's because I've been following too much real life politics lately.
I thought the backwards \S/ was clever but I wouldn't think he'd actually be able to do that.
I thought the backwards \S/ was clever but I wouldn't think he'd actually be able to do that.
Well, this is another really fine episode. Two enthusiastic thumbs up.
So it's a backwards S scarred onto the elder super-clone's chest? Does this foreshadow his turning into a version of Bizarro?
Fell back asleep before this one ended. Did they pick a Justice League member? Did Captain Marvel get booted despite being instrumental in recently saving the world?
Showing a Thanksgiving episode in March?
Thundercats' return episode was rather weak, despite implied off screen horrific violence and Bearbills.
Showing a Thanksgiving episode in March?
Thundercats' return episode was rather weak, despite implied off screen horrific violence and Bearbills.
I actually really enjoyed both plots. I'm a huge Nikita fan, so I loved getting to see Maggie Q's Wonder Woman play such a big role in the story. I'm not real familiar with the comics, so I wasn't familiar with some of the characters discussed in the JL plotline. I do know enough to be familiar with Guy Gardner's reputation, so the reaction to him being mentioned in the JL scene did get a bit of a laugh from me.
I don't know much of where Connor's Luthor connection went in the comics, so I am curious to see where the show is going with that.
The only characters I didn't know were Icon and Rocket. Ahh. I just looked them up and see that they were from Milestone comics which I heard of but never read.
I thought that Maggie Q did a fine job as Wonder Woman but since I'm a big fan of Nikita I kept thinking "When did Nikita join the JLA?". It really hit me because I just saw this week's episode of Nikita the night before I watched YJ.
I thought that Maggie Q did a fine job as Wonder Woman but since I'm a big fan of Nikita I kept thinking "When did Nikita join the JLA?". It really hit me because I just saw this week's episode of Nikita the night before I watched YJ.
No -- rather, they're both independent references to the same thing. It's a part of classic Superman lore, going back decades, that Superman loses his powers under the light of a red sun. So "red sun" is as familiar and important a phrase in Superman lore as "green kryptonite" or "Fortress of Solitude." The Red Son title for the Elseworlds tale was a pun on that. Here, it was being used symbolically, because it was a code phrase that rendered Superboy powerless.
There's precedent in John Byrne's The Man of Steel, explaining how Clark uses his heat vision reflected off a mirror to shave, and how the skin of his face has toughened up in response to it. A Kryptonian's heat vision is powerful enough to damage or destroy Kryptonian tissue, so it follows that Match could use his heat vision to brand his own flesh. The most implausible thing in that scenario is the mirror being able to withstand that much heat. Few mirrors are that perfectly reflective. More than likely it would warp, break, or melt in less than a second.
Those... Assholes.
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