You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS Story

[Ro_Laren]

Spoilers.... for those that haven't seen Trek XI.



As my title said they could easily blend the next TOS movie into a Post-Nemesis & alternate universe pre-TOS era movie. They could have an assortment of people from the different post TOS shows try to find a way to rescue Spock from the alternate pre-TOS timeline. For instance, we could blend all of the favorites from the three shows (Picard, B-4, Seven of Nine, Worf, etc.) & have them go on a rescue mission.

On the TOS side of it we can do whatever we want. Perhaps the post-Nemesis crew gets stuck in the alternate timeline and has to help Kirk & company defeat someone like Khan. Or perhaps in this timeline the Borg come to Federation territory & Picard & Seven have to help Kirk save the day. Maybe Picard has to help Kirk defeat the Borg so he can use their technology to get back to his own universe & timeline.

Just a thought... it would be fun & maybe open up the door for some new Post-Nemesis movies.

 

[Base_Delta_Zero]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

That will never happen in the new movies. Books, sure. Some nuTrek series down the road tackling this, maybe. But the movies are closed to TNG and the other series. Nemesis (which I enjoyed more than Insurrection) made sure of that. As much as I didn't particularly care for VOY or DS9, I could still see their casts getting some play in the movies ... before NEM crashed and burned. Their chance at the big screen is lost.

Enterprise could potentially be reborn on the big or small screen after a couple more nuTrek films, though.

 

[thumbtack]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Enterprise could potentially be reborn on the big or small screen after a couple more nuTrek films, though.

You're funny.

 

[clint g]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Enterprise could potentially be reborn on the big or small screen after a couple more nuTrek films, though.

You're funny.

Well..it IS the only trek left intact

 

[urbandk]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

i'm just looking forward to the recasting and reimagining of the future of this new trekverse, in a decade or two...

 

[DaveyNY]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

IMHO...

Trek XII is going to be all about how Nu-Kirk and his Nu-Crew are going to keep the Federation from completely falling apart in this Post-Destruction-of-Vulcan Universe...

They're not going to be able to use time travel to save/bring back the planet (cause Classic Spock is not going let them screw with the time line any more) so They are going to have to come up with some way to keep the Federation Political Factions from falling into complete disarray, thus possibly letting either the Klingon's or the Romulan's (or both) take control...

Orci & Kurtzman have left this Alternate Alpha Quadrant in a Total Chaotic Mess...

Something or Someone is going to try to fill the void that the loss of the Vulcan's has created and it's not going to be pretty...

They (Nu-Kirk & Company) are probably going to have to keep Other's from screwing with the timeline also...

 

[Photoman15]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

IMHO...

Trek XII is going to be all about how Nu-Kirk and his Nu-Crew are going to keep the Federation from completely falling apart in this Post-Destruction-of-Vulcan Universe...

They're not going to be able to use time travel to save/bring back the planet (cause Classic Spock is not going let them screw with the time line any more) so They are going to have to come up with some way to keep the Federation Political Factions from falling into complete disarray, thus possibly letting either the Klingon's or the Romulan's (or both) take control...

Orci & Kurtzman have left this Alternate Alpha Quadrant in a Total Chaotic Mess...

Something or Someone is going to try to fill the void that the loss of the Vulcan's has created and it's not going to be pretty...

They (Nu-Kirk & Company) are probably going to have to keep Other's from screwing with the timeline also...

There's no chaotic mess. One planet of the Federation was destroyed. The others were in line. A Federation vessel (Enterprise) stopped and destroyed the invading enemy (Nero, et al). Time goes on, Vulcan being destroyed doesn't even have a gravimetric effect on space travel (no course corrections have to be made due to Vulcan not being where it was).
There are 10,000 Vulcan refugees (plus whatever Vulcans were out in space previously). The adventure continues...

 

[DaveyNY]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

PHOTOMAN15,,, Guess Again...

Just take a look at the current mess of the New York State Senate, two guys change their affiliation (then one changes back) and it's CHAOS FOR ALMOST A MONTH NOW...

You think nothing is going to happen when the WHOLE PLANET OF A FOUNDING MEMBER as well as 99% of its population is taken out....???

The political repercussion's alone, will have the Federation Council practically falling apart and scrambling to fill the power void...

Never mind what Factions outside the Federation are planning...

I wasn't even talking about the actual physical changes of space itself...
(but that's going to be pretty severe also... especially for any other inhabited worlds in the Vulcan System...)

 

[Photoman15]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Why? Vulcan was a senior member but (according to accounts), was not active in Starfleet doings in a major way (TOS timeline). It's not a chaos initiating event. It will have repercussions, but not like you described.

There also shouldn't be any physical effects from this even in the star system. The gravitational pull of the black hole (if it still exists and does not evaporate, and that is what black holes will eventually do, ask Hawking, Penrose, Thorne, et al)) will be the same as the gravitational pull of the source material (Vulcan).

 

[SHCone]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Kirk must absolutely stand on his own two feet next time. I mean, as much as Kirk ever does as part of an ensemble. But he had to navigate a lot of confusion and get a lot of help this time. Whomever the villain is, we need Captain Kirk to come through it with his crew and his own ingenuity.

 

[Creedence]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Enterprise could potentially be reborn on the big or small screen after a couple more nuTrek films, though.

You're funny.

Well..it IS the only trek left intact

Well, that doesn't make it good.

 

[Creedence]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

PHOTOMAN15,,, Guess Again...

Just take a look at the current mess of the New York State Senate, two guys change their affiliation (then one changes back) and it's CHAOS FOR ALMOST A MONTH NOW...

You think nothing is going to happen when the WHOLE PLANET OF A FOUNDING MEMBER as well as 99% of its population is taken out....???

The political repercussion's alone, will have the Federation Council practically falling apart and scrambling to fill the power void...

Never mind what Factions outside the Federation are planning...

I wasn't even talking about the actual physical changes of space itself...
(but that's going to be pretty severe also... especially for any other inhabited worlds in the Vulcan System...)

Lord, I hope your movie script doesn't come to pass. As great at this movie was (at least I think so) bogging down the sequel with political quagmire will be snore-inducing.

The Vulcans would never let such debilitating politicking corrupt the Federation. Such acts would be illogical.

 

[FPAlpha]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Spoilers.... for those that haven't seen Trek XI.



As my title said they could easily blend the next TOS movie into a Post-Nemesis & alternate universe pre-TOS era movie. They could have an assortment of people from the different post TOS shows try to find a way to rescue Spock from the alternate pre-TOS timeline. For instance, we could blend all of the favorites from the three shows (Picard, B-4, Seven of Nine, Worf, etc.) & have them go on a rescue mission.

On the TOS side of it we can do whatever we want. Perhaps the post-Nemesis crew gets stuck in the alternate timeline and has to help Kirk & company defeat someone like Khan. Or perhaps in this timeline the Borg come to Federation territory & Picard & Seven have to help Kirk save the day. Maybe Picard has to help Kirk defeat the Borg so he can use their technology to get back to his own universe & timeline.

Just a thought... it would be fun & maybe open up the door for some new Post-Nemesis movies.

Or...

we could accept that "old" Trek is gone and JJ ushered in a "new" Trek that has its own stories and doesn't need characters from different timelines/universes appearing as cameos.

Come on.. move past trying to hold on to old Trek. It was (mostly) fun while it lasted but it's time for something new so why dilute it with old stuff? Let them find their own stories, iconic villains and themes and not rely on what was before.

To be honest.. i'd be really pissed if we get nuKhan or something like that. It's been done and well done so why repeat it? Go make your own legends.. you have the cast and the writers for it.

 

[pookha]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Why? Vulcan was a senior member but (according to accounts), was not active in Starfleet doings in a major way (TOS timeline). It's not a chaos initiating event. It will have repercussions, but not like you described.

really , that isnt the feeling i got from amok time and journey to babel.

in babel we learn that sarek had a lot of influence among the ambassadors.
which probably ment vulcan still carried a lot of influence within the federation itself.

the inauguration on altair was a big thing until starfleet learned it was
tpau that wanted enterprise diverted and then it was like no problem.


i just see vulcan as having immense influence within the federation both in diplomatic channels and in terms of science.

all of a sudden there is this power vacum .

so it may not be total chaos but the loss of vulcan should be felt for a long time.

 

[npsf3000]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Enterprise could potentially be reborn on the big or small screen after a couple more nuTrek films, though.

You're funny.

Well..it IS the only trek left intact

He's dead Jim, but there is some cancer left that we haven't quite yet killed.

Enterprise nearly killed star trek, do you wish to encourage it?


On topic,

We don't know if the future still exists as we remember (did they branch time, or did they rewrite time - unknown by us).

That said, i can envision a good episode where this happens.

The reason why it probably won't (on the big screen), is because they have to keep the same cast (the crew of the enterprise) - for next two sequels (because if we don't - your going down a road of failure). And if your keeping the original crew, you don't want to invest two much recreating the next generations crew.

Basically - we are sticking with what we got (or asking for failure).

That said, as a minor sub-plot that could quite easily help get rid of a few problems of the whole time travel thing, I can imagine short, brief, 'once' only portal to TNG in which we get rid of old spock and his 'futuristic knowledge' and possible get somthing in exchange to help the Vulcann's (a library?)

 

[Gryffindorian]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

The question is, why would Picard and company want to rescue Spock Prime? It's not as if the elder Vulcan needs rescuing. If he wanted to go back to his own universe, he would've said so at the end of ST XI. Seriously, the focus of the movie series is on the new Kirk and crew, not other characters from the Prime Universe.

 

[DaveyNY]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

Why? Vulcan was a senior member but (according to accounts), was not active in Starfleet doings in a major way (TOS time line). It's not a chaos initiating event. It will have repercussions, but not like you described.

Just what Accounts are you referring to...?

From the time of Captain Archer all the way up to TNG, Vulcan has been a MAJOR INFLUENCE in the Federation.

Pooka has pointed out just one example that proved just how much Vulcan and it's Diplomats have influenced the history of the Federation.

What makes you think it's any different up to the point of and including it's destruction in this new time line?

There also shouldn't be any physical effects from this even in the star system. The gravitational pull of the black hole (if it still exists and does not evaporate, and that is what black holes will eventually do, ask Hawking, Penrose, Thorne, et al)) will be the same as the gravitational pull of the source material (Vulcan).

Again, you seem to underestimate just how much what seems as a small thing to you, can effect things on a grand scale...

I'll just use one Trek example that completely undermines your personal supposition...

The Destruction of Ceti Alpha VI...

The immediate events that followed, certainly had a large repercussion on that Star System and the political repercussions of Khan being found and released, as well as getting the Genesis Device, had Major Repercussions for the entire Alpha Quadrant.


Also, as far as the Black Hole goes, if there are any other Vulcan inhabited planets/moons in that system they are in serious trouble from the destruction of Vulcan Prime, never mind what the Black Hole will do.

PHOTOMAN15,,, Guess Again...

Just take a look at the current mess of the New York State Senate, two guys change their affiliation (then one changes back) and it's CHAOS FOR ALMOST A MONTH NOW...

You think nothing is going to happen when the WHOLE PLANET OF A FOUNDING MEMBER as well as 99% of its population is taken out....???

The political repercussion's alone, will have the Federation Council practically falling apart and scrambling to fill the power void...

Never mind what Factions outside the Federation are planning...

I wasn't even talking about the actual physical changes of space itself...
(but that's going to be pretty severe also... especially for any other inhabited worlds in the Vulcan System...)

Lord, I hope your movie script doesn't come to pass. As great at this movie was (at least I think so) bogging down the sequel with political quagmire will be snore-inducing.

The Vulcan's would never let such debilitating politicking corrupt the Federation. Such acts would be illogical.

It's not my movie script, it's just an informed guess, as to what the writers will have to deal with if they decide to continue on with the current storyline that they created...

I seem to remember that the Sixth Trek movie was very much based on Political Intreague and while that may not be your cup-of-tea, it certainly was NOT a Snore-Inducing movie from my point of view.
(and I believe in many others POV as well. It did remarkably well at the box-office.)

The Vulcan's are now a VERY, VERY, VERY Small fraction of what they once were (thanks to this movie) the only Folks who are going to give any creedance to what they think is the Logical Thing to Do, are going to pretty much be just Us Humans.

By this time in the original TOS time line (again using just the one example from Pooka) the Andorians and the Vulcans still weren't on very good terms (Journey To Babel), so I doubt there will be a heavy influence of Logic being used for some time to come.

 

[Photoman15]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

From the time of Captain Archer all the way up to TNG, Vulcan has been a MAJOR INFLUENCE in the Federation.

Pooka has pointed out just one example that proved just how much Vulcan and it's Diplomats have influenced the history of the Federation.

What makes you think it's any different up to the point of and including it's destruction in this new time line?

Yes, but if Vulcan doesn't/didn't exist (TOS 5ym time), some other planet will have influence.

Again, you seem to underestimate just how much what seems as a small thing to you, can effect things on a grand scale...

I'll just use one Trek example that completely undermines your personal supposition...

The Destruction of Ceti Alpha VI...

The immediate events that followed, certainly had a large repercussion on that Star System and the political repercussions of Khan being found and released, as well as getting the Genesis Device, had Major Repercussions for the entire Alpha Quadrant.


Also, as far as the Black Hole goes, if there are any other Vulcan inhabited planets/moons in that system they are in serious trouble from the destruction of Vulcan Prime, never mind what the Black Hole will do.

Please don't mention Ceti Alpha V/VI. That was stupid writing. How can a starship/SURVEY ship not come into the Ceti Alpha system and not have someone realize one of the planets is missing. Please. Reliant's stellar cartography department must be stupid to let that one pass.

The only body that can be in trouble from the black hole in place of Vulcan (if it doesn't evaporate naturally), is the moon(s) of Vulcan. Now depending on where you're getting your info, Vulcan has no moon/two moons. Regardless, the gravitational pull of the black hole will be the same gravitational pull that Vulcan exerted on it's surrrounding area/system. If the black hole does evaporate (which is theorized that black holes do) then the gravitational pull that Vulcan/blackhole exerts will be lost. Again, the moon will be affected. Most likely, unless Vulcan was a gas giant (it wasn't), very little difference will be made in the star system.

 

[Nowhere Man]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

I'll just repeat what I said in another thread by copying and pasting with my iPhone . I'd like to see Spock prime captured by the Romulans , who have found out about Nero. I want the big E to be sent on a rescue mission to find him. Spock prime should be important for the vulcans and restoring normalcy. I want this next one to be kinda like Empire , but not completely dark. I want it to be a cliffhanger and I would really like to see Picard and Data set out to find Spock prime also. Iwould like to see Data find a way to enter the alt universe and somehow merge the two time lines into one, then reunite Vulcan and Romulus inthe end . And finally Spock prime , Picard and Data return to the 24th century. Ending with the hologram of old Kirk giving a farewell . The scene that was never written. I know a lot of people won't agree with this, I don't care and I know none of this will never happen , but I would like to see this played out over two movies

 

[Photoman15]

Re: You Know They Could Blend the Next Movie Into a Post-Nemesis/TOS S

I want to see Kirk and the Enterprise have an exciting mission where there is something at stake and they solve the problem(s) themselves. I don't want to see a third Romulan movie in a row, I don't want to see Picard and Data/B4 (for they are the ruinization of "NEMESIS") and I'm not sure if we need to see SpockPrime again.

Then next movie should have no need to have seen the first (ST09). It should stand on it's own. Please stop fanboy wank from becoming movies!