X-Men Origins: Wolverine workprint leaked - Not April Fools

[mswood]

Yeah but I usually like Ang Lee work (not for the HUlk though), but without that early pirate copy I would have gone to the theaters. So would several people I know. Even if its just a small number (percentage wise) that does add up), and lets be honest the early press on film sites for this movie were already a bit negative.

And pretty much confirmed with the excessive amount of reshoots, which with a very few exceptions (Two Towers, Return of the King for example) most reshoots are done because of poor testing. The reshoots for the two films above were done not do to poor testing, but to increase the chance of winning academy awards, something I don't believe is something Wolverine has ever had aspirations for.

Now if those reports are true a number anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands could be watching the early version (the one that they thought needed quite a bit of reshooting). Thats people who directly see that footage, imagine how many of the will talk about it both in person and online. And even if their opinion (negative or positive) convinces just ten percent that could be a huge amount of money.

 

[mswood]

ON just one torrent site it shows it various copies have over 200,000 persons attempting to download with current fully downloaded and seeding to others at over 27,000.

Thats one site.

 

[Candlelight]

I wanna see it if only for the shots of my hometown (he worked out at the gym right next to my work) and shots of Paradise, Glenorchy, etc.

 

[mswood]

By just the look of just one torrent site, this is going to be a huge, huge leak. I would guess by the end of today half a million people will have this downloaded.

I haven't and thus I honestly can't give my opinion on the work that is presented, but almost everything I am hearing is average to far, far worse.

I don't see how Fox is going to be able to stop it's progression.

I don't think the number who talked about the Hulk was anywhere near this level (in just half a day).

I just don't see a positive spin for fox on this.

 

[Messianni]

Well on the upside of all of this, if it does blow and have a massive drop the second week that leaves it open for the new Trek film to come in nicely.

 

[JoeZhang]

Yeah but I usually like Ang Lee work (not for the HUlk though), but without that early pirate copy I would have gone to the theaters. So would several people I know. Even if its just a small number (percentage wise) that does add up), and lets be honest the early press on film sites for this movie were already a bit negative.

And pretty much confirmed with the excessive amount of reshoots, which with a very few exceptions (Two Towers, Return of the King for example) most reshoots are done because of poor testing. The reshoots for the two films above were done not do to poor testing, but to increase the chance of winning academy awards, something I don't believe is something Wolverine has ever had aspirations for.

Now if those reports are true a number anywhere from tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands could be watching the early version (the one that they thought needed quite a bit of reshooting). Thats people who directly see that footage, imagine how many of the will talk about it both in person and online. And even if their opinion (negative or positive) convinces just ten percent that could be a huge amount of money.

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Ryan Reynolds: No. I initially started out as just a cameo and they added a little bit more, but for the most part it's definitely Hugh's movie. It also has an ensemble feel, too. There's also a lot of guys in it. There are a lot of characters and they've added a bunch of mutants that the fanboys really love. But I initially jumped in there because I had to go shoot 'Proposal' and this other movie called 'Paper Man' while they were shooting 'Wolverine'. I was committed to those already when they approached me for the role. I just said, 'Look, if you can make it work, make it work.' Then we ended up going on and doing additional photography at the end of 'Wolverine' because I still hadn't shot the lion’s share of what I was supposed to shoot. A lot of people thought they were adding more scenes because they added more Deadpool, but it was just a function of me finishing the movie that I wasn't able to complete yet.

http://www.moviesonline.ca/movienews_16584.html

So unless this workprint is cut in a really weird way or they add thirty minutes to the length, I think scene wise, what has been leaked is pretty much it.

 

[Chocolate Log]

By just the look of just one torrent site, this is going to be a huge, huge leak. I would guess by the end of today half a million people will have this downloaded.

I haven't and thus I honestly can't give my opinion on the work that is presented, but almost everything I am hearing is average to far, far worse.

I don't see how Fox is going to be able to stop it's progression.

I don't think the number who talked about the Hulk was anywhere near this level (in just half a day).

I just don't see a positive spin for fox on this.

Just to comment on this, a large number of the "people" downloading the leak are infact simulated users acting on behalf of the studio to slow the torrent down to a crawl by simply leeching, and to a certain degree monitor who is downloading it.

 

[Tom]

The film is all over the warez sites, I hope it bringsdown it box office so it lessens the impact on Trek. T4 will be treks biggest competion

 

[mswood]

By just the look of just one torrent site, this is going to be a huge, huge leak. I would guess by the end of today half a million people will have this downloaded.

I haven't and thus I honestly can't give my opinion on the work that is presented, but almost everything I am hearing is average to far, far worse.

I don't see how Fox is going to be able to stop it's progression.

I don't think the number who talked about the Hulk was anywhere near this level (in just half a day).

I just don't see a positive spin for fox on this.

Just to comment on this, a large number of the "people" downloading the leak are infact simulated users acting on behalf of the studio to slow the torrent down to a crawl by simply leeching, and to a certain degree monitor who is downloading it.

I would assume that was part of it.

But it doesn't change my point a huge (by any previous standard for pre release piracy) of individuals are going to see this film. They are going to form their opinions about it (both good and bad) and as social creatures we are going to share those opinions both in persons and through the internet.

I mean there is one site I go to (A private torrent site, that by 6am nearly 90% of its members had a copy.

And just on one torrent site 27,000 seeders, studios are only going to seed fake copies, they might flood the number of downloaders but they aren't going to increase the number who seed (well unless they are idiots). And since originally posting (what less then 2 hours ago that seeding number (from one site) is nearing 40,000.

Thats not the number who have downloaded the movie and didn't continue to seed (Which I would assume is a greater number)

 

[Dream]

Well on the upside of all of this, if it does blow and have a massive drop the second week that leaves it open for the new Trek film to come in nicely.

The film is all over the warez sites, I hope it bringsdown it box office so it lessens the impact on Trek. T4 will be treks biggest competion

Oh look. Trek fans are already turning against Wolverine!

 

[mswood]

Well I am of two minds on this. Of course I would like less competition for Trek, and as someone who is still utterly pissed on how bad they did what is considered one of comics best stories in X-Men 3. For that I would like no one to watch it.

But as a movie fan, and a comic fan I would like to see good movies being made. So I try (try) to hope that its a good film and its performance reflects that (even knowing that my opinion is just one of millions).

 

[Messianni]

Well on the upside of all of this, if it does blow and have a massive drop the second week that leaves it open for the new Trek film to come in nicely.

The film is all over the warez sites, I hope it bringsdown it box office so it lessens the impact on Trek. T4 will be treks biggest competion

Oh look. Trek fans are already turning against Wolverine!

Not exactly, at least for me personally. I'm not going to download the leaked workprint and, unless there's really bad word-of-mouth or the film isn't screened for critics ahead of time (always a bad sign), I'll be in the theater May 1st.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

It's ridiculous to cast this in terms of any "advantage" it might give one film over another. If it can happen today to "Wolverine" it can happen tomorrow to "Star Trek."

One site shows about 10,000 active seeders for this sucker right now. Too late to close the barn door.

 

[tharpdevenport]

I think today a lot of people are going to download a virus unknowingly.

 

[T'Baio]

For the record, very simple edits can truly turn a great movie into a piece of shit, and vice versa. Editing is truly not only an art, but a science.

It amazes me sometimes how little people know about the craftsmanship that goes into even a barely serviceable film.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

For the record, very simple edits can truly turn a great movie into a piece of shit, and vice versa.

No - very, very rarely is the "vice versa" true. Extensive editing can rarely do better than turn a piece of shit into a shorter and somewhat more servicable piece of shit.

 

[Dream]

It's ridiculous to cast this in terms of any "advantage" it might give one film over another. If it can happen today to "Wolverine" it can happen tomorrow to "Star Trek."

Highly unlikely. You better believe that Paramount has doubled/triped the security around all the Star Trek XI film copies after hearing about this Wolverine leak.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm going to have to try and find this. After the cluster-fuck that was X3, this will probably be the only way I will ever be willling see it.

 

[Messianni]

It's ridiculous to cast this in terms of any "advantage" it might give one film over another. If it can happen today to "Wolverine" it can happen tomorrow to "Star Trek."

One site shows about 10,000 active seeders for this sucker right now. Too late to close the barn door.

It's ridiculous to cast this in terms of any "advantage" it might give one film over another. If it can happen today to "Wolverine" it can happen tomorrow to "Star Trek."

Highly unlikely. You better believe that Paramount has doubled/triped the security around all the Star Trek XI film copies after hearing about this Wolverine leak.

Pitch perfect. Here's a snippet from the latest TrekMovie article:

Wolverine leaks - could Trek be next
At first it was thought to be an April Fool’s prank, but this one does not have Fox laughing. In the last day a working print of X-Men Origins Wolverine leaked on the Internet. This film opens a week before Star Trek and is the film’s main competition opening weekend and the leak can’t help. Before feeling any schadenfreude, in the last hour IESB is reporting there is a ST09 leak on the torrents as well. Could be a joike and this hasn’t been confirmed yet but we are looking into it.

In my own "research", any supposed Star Trek "leaks" look like fakes, released between a few days ago to a week ago.

 

[LightSith]

For the record, very simple edits can truly turn a great movie into a piece of shit, and vice versa. Editing is truly not only an art, but a science.

It amazes me sometimes how little people know about the craftsmanship that goes into even a barely serviceable film.

I agree with you to a certain extent. As a film student who has made his own stuff, I know how hard it is and I respect anyone who's gone out and done it because it's hard and stressful. And shit always goes wrong. So even if you've had a bad movie, my heart goes out to you. And I understand if you take a little while to get going and you learn from mistakes. The same goes for a studio.

But the thing is, at the end of the day, if you go out there with a bad script there's really no excuse. Especially for a movie like this. Yes, the editing is bad. But the script and story are a mess. I took a gander, just because my hopes for this film were very low. Were it Star Trek or Avatar, I wouldn't have. But I was on the fence on this one... especially after X3.



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There are things to like in this movie. Really. Hugh Jackman is always good. Ryan Reynolds does Deadpool really well... when he's allowed to talk. Gambit is a pleasure to watch. I thought even though he was shallow, Victor Creed was actually pretty cool to see. And when the film brings the funny, it's not too bad. Banter is always good, and these actors pull it off.

The problem is that the things I mentioned comprise about 10-15 minutes, tops, of a 106 minute movie. More like 98 without the credits at the end. It moves way to quickly. Things that need to be emphasized are glanced over. From what I've seen, yeah Logan's been through some wars, but they never once portrayed him as brutal or as an animal. The whole point of the character is rather lost on me. He's supposed to have a messy past. He's supposed to have things he needs to be redemed for. Things he's not proud of. I never got that from this movie. I know he looses his memory and all, but that angle is never there. They're too busy making action set pieces. The problem is that the action is kind of underwhelming, because there's rarely any stakes to it. I understand the story points they were trying to convey. And if they had nailed them, it might have been a good film, but they don't. Everyone is pissed at Logan for leaving the Weapon X squad. In the movie, he's there for one fucking mission and DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. Then he leaves. That's it. Then he's with some girl and in love. And we're supposed to care. And the scene where he gets the metal put into his body... it's half assed. All those wonderful little snippets in X2 are all you're going to get.

Is it as bad as X3? That's hard to answer. It suffers from the same problems. The difference is that X3 we wanted payoff for the first two that never happaned. Here, well, I don't know. It was nice to see Logan again. It was nice to see Gambit. But what the film doesn't understand is that it's not just enough to see all these mutants. We want to be rooting for them. We want to see Wolverine fuck up and suffer the tragedy that leads him to the X-Men. If we see Gambit on screen, we want him to have a character arc. When we see Deadpool, we want him to, well, be able to speak.



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I don't condone this leak. And because I watched it, I'm going to plop down my money on the weekend to see it. If I didn't, it wouldn't be fair to the people who made this and didn't write it. People worked hard on it. And in some places is shows even without the complete effects. But I will tell my friends my opinion of it. If that causes them to loose business, then so be it. Because if this film was good, then this leak would have helped it.