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X-Men: Days of Future Past - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

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Did anyone else notice how the footage from "The naked time" they used in the film was from the remastered episode? The new chronometer is a dead giveaway that this must be from the remastered episode, which, of course, wasn't around in 1973... ;-)
 
As with a lot of these movies, I think I'll need to see it a couple more times before I really know what I think about it. But, overall, I'm unimpressed. The movie doesn't make any major blunders but it just didn't engage me as much as some of the others did. It certainly didn't come anywhere close to eclipsing X-Men: First Class as my favorite movie of the series.

I think part of that is because DOFP isn't quite as heartfelt as First Class. Every time I watch First Class, my heart totally breaks for Mystique because all she really wants is one person to love her for who she really is. And the white-hot rage driving Magneto's quest for revenge against Sebastian Shaw is quite palpable too. But in DOFP, the themes are much more vague, like "hope" & "being the better person."

But those themes aren't new to the X-Men film series, they were used in the first film.

I would rate the likes of First Class and DOFP about the same, in some respects First Class had a tighter story, something I think DOFP past, perhaps because it was juggling so many actors at times the stroy seemed to drag a shade.
 
This movie righted all the wrongs from that abortion known as The Last Stand.


Now if only they could do the same from Nemesis.
 
And wouldn't Stryker have been older, as played by Danny Huston, he looked older than the actor playing Stryker in this film. Perhaps they should've made this guy Lt. Stryker.

Yeah, or Captain Stryker at best.

That said, I would have liked a larger "team" in the final confrontation with the Sentinels, and Havok has really cool "blow 'em up" powers.

Agreed. I definately wanted more Havok & Banshee!

I loved it but wish I had not read all the spoilers ahead of time. There was no surprises which lessoned the impact.

I hadn't read any spoilers and even I saw that ending coming from a mile away.
 
and practically everyone else was killed off-screen. It seems like a terrible waste of Banshee & Emma Frost.

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Until they brought out those stupid robots, it felt like they could only make plans for the sentinels because the current levels of tech just weren't there to bring this shite to light.

Then they roll out those things near the end that are impossible still by today's standards.

In 1973, a transistor powered Sentinel to do what they wanted it to do, would have to have been the size of a skyscraper, and it's computer brain would have occupied 70 percent of it's body yet still been barely smarter than an Ipod.

Dinklage also had a plasma/laptop display in his briefcase when presenting his ideas.

I was also expecting a reveal that Dinklage was mutant as well, and ywah his short stature played into that.
 
Until they brought out those stupid robots, it felt like they could only make plans for the sentinels because the current levels of tech just weren't there to bring this shite to light.

Then they roll out those things near the end that are impossible still by today's standards.

In 1973, a transistor powered Sentinel to do what they wanted it to do, would have to have been the size of a skyscraper, and it's computer brain would have occupied 70 percent of it's body yet still been barely smarter than an Ipod.

Dinkledge also had a plasma/laptop display in his briefcase when presenting his ideas.
I saw the film twice. On second viewing, this was not a screen.. it was just blue tile like paper. It loos like a screen but it isn't.
 
Until they brought out those stupid robots, it felt like they could only make plans for the sentinels because the current levels of tech just weren't there to bring this shite to light.

Then they roll out those things near the end that are impossible still by today's standards.

In 1973, a transistor powered Sentinel to do what they wanted it to do, would have to have been the size of a skyscraper, and it's computer brain would have occupied 70 percent of it's body yet still been barely smarter than an Ipod.

Dinkledge also had a plasma/laptop display in his briefcase when presenting his ideas.
I saw the film twice. On second viewing, this was not a screen.. it was just blue tile like paper. It loos like a screen but it isn't.

It was some kind of slide projector - it made that sound when the picture changed. It wasn't a flatscreen.
 
I was also expecting a reveal thatn Dinklage was mutant as well, and ywah his short stature played into that.

That would suck for him, he would always be setting off his own detector!

Unless he programed the device to ignore his own X-gene. I know we sorta have to accept that in the X-Men universe technology progressed a lot faster than it did in ours. Also of note there's a lot of talk about DNA, extracting and making use of genes and such, all stuff of myths and magic in the 1970s. Certainly not known enough to target genesand splice them into new organisms.

Also, the Oval Office, and thus any bunker under it, isn't under the White House proper. It's under one of the expansion s off to the side, known ast the West Wing. But the movie has the extracted bunker coming out of the main building of The White House.
 
Not to mention that it still feels odd that a character who was just a glorified henchwoman in the first three movies is now so incredibly pivotal and crucial to the story for some reason.
That reason is Jennifer Lawrence.
Yes and no. Lawrence's stardom will definitely keep elevating the character, but Mystique was already written as one of the franchise leads in First Class, which was released before Lawrence became of the biggest movie stars in the world.
 
I think part of that is because DOFP isn't quite as heartfelt as First Class. Every time I watch First Class, my heart totally breaks for Mystique because all she really wants is one person to love her for who she really is. And the white-hot rage driving Magneto's quest for revenge against Sebastian Shaw is quite palpable too. But in DOFP, the themes are much more vague, like "hope" & "being the better person."

But those themes aren't new to the X-Men film series, they were used in the first film.

Yes, "hope" & "being the better person" were already themes in the earlier films. I'm just saying that the best X-Men movies have been able to combine that with a profound sense of personal loss & alienation. Days of Future Past felt a bit emotionally distant to me in comparison.

While Origins surprisingly happens in 1975.
None of XMO is set in 1975, despite what that graphic says. The finale of XMO takes place in 1979, and there is on-screen text earlier that says Six Years Later which places the early scenes in 1973. Not that it helps explain why Logan was sleeping with the boss' daughter in '73 instead of being sentenced to firing squad in 'Nam. Better movie takes precedent in my book. :)

The finale of X-Men Origins: Wolverine is set in the late 1980s, not 1979. In both X-Men (2000) & X2, various characters from Professor Xavier to Col. Stryker say that Wolverine's memory loss happened 15 years ago. Those movies took place, presumably, some time in the early 2000s, 2000 A.D. at the earliest. 15 years prior to that would be 1985.

People keep misinterpreting where the Three Mile Island of 1979 occurs in the X-Men timeline. I got the impression that the nuclear meltdown at Three Mile Island was a hoax perpetrated by Col. Stryker & the U.S. Military to scare curious people way from Col. Stryker's secret mutant testing facility on the island.

Emma Frost is in a similar situation (two different characters sharing the same name).

Technically, the one in Origins was not called Emma Frost in the film, just in promotional materials. So when First Class came out the Origins character was already being "retconned" as just "Kayla's sister Emma". Which is better because the character displays no evidence of telepathic ability.
I watched Origins again a few weeks ago, and I don't think she's ever even referred to as "Emma" in the actual movie, nevermind "Emma Frost." It's only in the end credits she's called Emma.
So you could just say it's a mutant with similar powers to Emma Frost... although Stryker does say the girls diamond powers are unique. But if Emma Frost is dead then I suppose they were.

It's also possible that Col. Stryker was unaware of Emma Frost's powers. Or that Kayla's sister's powers were unique because her diamond skin had a totally different look from Emma Frost's diamond skin. Or that Col. Stryker was lying to Kayla. (He's pretty much lying to everyone all the time in that movie as it is.)

But, yeah, I agree that Emma Frost from X-Men: First Class is a completely different person from Kayla's sister in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Similarly, I believe that, in the movies, Victor Creed & Sabretooth are not the same person. At no point is either character referred to by the other's name, not even in the closing credits, which usually list real names side-by-side with their superhero names.

I hope the events of The Wolverine still happened in some way, shape or form. It would suck for Logan that if after losing Jean and finding Mariko, then saving and (essentially) losing Jean again, if Logan and Mariko had never met in the new timeline. It would make sense that Yashida still would have sought Logan out when he was dying even in the new timeline, thus initiating the same chain of events.

Probably, but he might have called in the X-Men to back him up when he lost his powers. Charles would be the logical contact to find out what happened to him. ;)

That story might have made a pretty short movie. ;)

Perhaps. Although, Wolverine is such a loner by nature anyway that I can see him not wanting to contact anyone. And if he & Mariko were trying to stay off the grid, that's another reason for him not to call the other X-Men for back-up. The more I think about it, the more I see The Wolverine as still having largely happened in the new timeline.

BTW, was anyone else disappointed that Yukio wasn't still traveling with Wolverine in the future? I loved her and I hope she comes back at some point!

I wonder how in the original timeline Magneto escaped from the Pentagon prison then. Mystique? Also what motivated Xavier to get back on track without the appearance of Logan.

Maybe sometime in the early 1980s Xavier hit rock bottom and Hank forced him to join Narcotics Anonymous. As part of the "making amends" step of the program, he briefly reconciles with Magneto, which explains why they're working together when trying to recruit Jean Grey in the late 1980s in X-Men: The Last Stand.

So Azazel is dead. I suppose Mystique maybe had a little fling with him before he died (while Magneto was in prison) gave birth to baby Nightcrawler, and then abandoned him. (But that doesn't really jar with her "mutant and proud" shtick.)

You can be proud to be a mutant AND be a shitty mother! They're not mutually exclusive!

BTW, do we know for sure that any of them are dead besides Angel? I remember seeing Angel's autopsy photo in Trask's files but it went by too fast for me to catch any others. (It's comic books, so they're not really dead if we didn't see the bodies. I'm kinda hoping that Azazel teleported himself & Emma Frost away from whatever impending doom was headed their way at the last moment.)

My own instinct was that it happened in the equivalent timeframe to the future scenes during the rest of the movie (flying wheelchair for one thing) but Rogue, Scott and Jean seemed remarkably unaged. Must be those mutant genes!

Other than Wolverine getting some gray around the temples & Professor Xavier getting a few more wrinkles, EVERYONE seems remarkably unaged considering the 10+ years between X-Men: The Last Stand & X-Men: Days of Future Past.
 
In the real world it was a money issue. Bryan Singer wanted to have few Sentinels in the sequence when the military attacked the school in X2, but they were cut for budgetary reasons.

That's an ex post facto excuse. There are ways of accomplishing things in films that you otherwise wouldn't be able to for budget reasons. Chiefly (and cheapest) among them are script and dialogue.

1: A scene in X2 where Stryker/whoever says "Send 20 special forces and 4 Sentinels!" would have done the trick. Problem solved.

2: If you wanted to take it a step further, Have Logan look out the window of the mansion and shine a bright light into the window, and play some kind of sound effect, and have him exclaim, "Ahh! Sentinels!".

3: Taken even further to really nail home the point, actually show on screen a diagram or schematic of sentinels, rattle off a list of their abilities, and then when they attack the mansion only show a H.U.D. of the sentinels attacking (but never actually show a sentinel).

These techniques have been around forever, and are all practically free to execute. Jaws used them to great effect, where we barely ever see the shark in the film, but there were scenes from the shark's "point of view".

I think the real reason sentinels didn't appear in X2 is because no one thought to have sentinels in X2.
 
The Borgified Corpse said:
The finale of X-Men Origins: Wolverine is set in the late 1980s, not 1979. In both X-Men (2000) & X2, various characters from Professor Xavier to Col. Stryker say that Wolverine's memory loss happened 15 years ago. Those movies took place, presumably, some time in the early 2000s, 2000 A.D. at the earliest. 15 years prior to that would be 1985.

Or the 15 years was just an estimate and turned out to be off, or it was simply retconned along the way.

tighr said:
I think the real reason sentinels didn't appear in X2 is because no one thought to have sentinels in X2.

Though we can tell they were thinking of Project Wideawake.
 
The Borgified Corpse said:
The finale of X-Men Origins: Wolverine is set in the late 1980s, not 1979. In both X-Men (2000) & X2, various characters from Professor Xavier to Col. Stryker say that Wolverine's memory loss happened 15 years ago. Those movies took place, presumably, some time in the early 2000s, 2000 A.D. at the earliest. 15 years prior to that would be 1985.

Or the 15 years was just an estimate and turned out to be off, or it was simply retconned along the way.

Some stuff has had to be retconned, certainly. Like Professor Xavier saying in X-Men that he was 17 when he first met Magneto. But why retcon something when you don't have to?

One little physics nitpick I had about X-Men: Days of Future Past-- I don't think it would be possible for Magneto to drag Mystique's entire body across the plaza when the only piece of metal on her was the bullet in her leg. No matter how much force Magneto applies to it, all it would do is rip the bullet out of her.
 
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