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X-Men: Days of Future Past - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS

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He would have to have changed the shape of the bullet so that it had barbs, but then we see it a few seconds later after he rips it out of her... Although she's quite possibly made out of atypical flesh that reacts oddly to forces.

If she made her leg flesh twice as hard as it should be, as hard as the the souls of your feet or the hands of your grandfather... That might explain what we saw.
 
I hope the events of The Wolverine still happened in some way, shape or form. It would suck for Logan that if after losing Jean and finding Mariko, then saving and (essentially) losing Jean again, if Logan and Mariko had never met in the new timeline. It would make sense that Yashida still would have sought Logan out when he was dying even in the new timeline, thus initiating the same chain of events.

Perhaps. Although, Wolverine is such a loner by nature anyway that I can see him not wanting to contact anyone. And if he & Mariko were trying to stay off the grid, that's another reason for him not to call the other X-Men for back-up. The more I think about it, the more I see The Wolverine as still having largely happened in the new timeline.

Further thoughts on the new timeline-- I think that it's entirely possible that the events of both the first movie and The Wolverine could still have happened in some way shape or form. Magneto still could have had the same scheme to turn the world's leaders into mutants, with the X-Men getting involved when he tries to have Rogue kidnapped. The only real question would be would Wolverine already be a member of the team at this point, or would he the join the team here, as in the original timeline.

However, if I read the ending of DoFP correctly, and Mystique has taken William Stryker out of the picture as early as 1973, that eliminates the central antagonist of both X2: X-Men United and X:Men Origins: Wolverine, pretty much completely eliminating them both.

However, for those celebrating that The Last Stand has been completely eliminated from the time-line should consider that Worthington Industries would still have developed its "Mutant Cure", thus taking Magneto on a similar course of action. Jean would still have had the whole uber-powerful Phoenix/split personality thing, and who knows how that played/will play in the new timeline?

I've thought that the new timeline gives Bryan Singer opportunity to do "Dark Phoenix" the right way, but that feels like returning to an old well. For better or worse, I think fans have to accept that X3 is how Dark Phoenix went down in the movie-verse, given a happy ending after the fact. Besides, DoFP gives the original cast a happy ending and a much-better capstone for their work than The Last Stand provided. To re-do "Dark Phoenix" properly (to my satisfaction anyway), would require Jean to die... again.:eek::lol::p And they've already done that twice. More, if you count the dream sequences in The Wolverine and the flashbacks in DoFP.

No, keep "Dark Phoenix" as it is and leave the proper adaptation to the inevitable re-boot. That said, I do still think the original cast has one more starring turn in them (just not "Dark Phoenix"). :techman:

BTW, was anyone else disappointed that Yukio wasn't still traveling with Wolverine in the future? I loved her and I hope she comes back at some point!
Sentinel: "Mutant identified!"
Yukio: "Logan-san. Remember when I said I could see anybody's death? Well, Sayona--" *fwash*:eek::(



In the real world it was a money issue. Bryan Singer wanted to have few Sentinels in the sequence when the military attacked the school in X2, but they were cut for budgetary reasons.

That's an ex post facto excuse. There are ways of accomplishing things in films that you otherwise wouldn't be able to for budget reasons. Chiefly (and cheapest) among them are script and dialogue.

1: A scene in X2 where Stryker/whoever says "Send 20 special forces and 4 Sentinels!" would have done the trick. Problem solved.

2: If you wanted to take it a step further, Have Logan look out the window of the mansion and shine a bright light into the window, and play some kind of sound effect, and have him exclaim, "Ahh! Sentinels!".

3: Taken even further to really nail home the point, actually show on screen a diagram or schematic of sentinels, rattle off a list of their abilities, and then when they attack the mansion only show a H.U.D. of the sentinels attacking (but never actually show a sentinel).

These techniques have been around forever, and are all practically free to execute. Jaws used them to great effect, where we barely ever see the shark in the film, but there were scenes from the shark's "point of view".

I think the real reason sentinels didn't appear in X2 is because no one thought to have sentinels in X2.

Perhaps. However, it seems like both a tease to the fans and a waste of a good concept to introduce the Sentinels in that manner and not give the audience some sort of payoff with it. The movie didn't lose anything for the lack of Sentinels, so it's no big deal to me.
 
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Did anyone else get a "Yesterday's Enterprise" vibe at the end of the movie? There was a big war, and then suddenly everything is back to "normal".
 
Turtletrekker said:
However, for those celebrating that The Last Stand has been completely eliminated from the time-line should consider that Worthington Industries would still have developed its "Mutant Cure", thus taking Magneto on a similar course of action. Jean would still have had the whole uber-powerful Phoenix/split personality thing, and who know how that played/will play in the new timeline?

But would she still have been "triggered" by something like the Liberty Island incident? It's hard to know.

Something I've been wondering about - is there anything in the brief scene of Rogue at the end which would imply that she didn't have her powers? Like kissing Bobby or something? I can't remember.
 
Turtletrekker said:
However, for those celebrating that The Last Stand has been completely eliminated from the time-line should consider that Worthington Industries would still have developed its "Mutant Cure", thus taking Magneto on a similar course of action. Jean would still have had the whole uber-powerful Phoenix/split personality thing, and who know how that played/will play in the new timeline?

But would she still have been "triggered" by something like the Liberty Island incident? It's hard to know.
Remember that my theory is that X1 still happened in some way shape or form.
Something I've been wondering about - is there anything in the brief scene of Rogue at the end which would imply that she didn't have her powers? Like kissing Bobby or something? I can't remember.
They were holding hands.
 
Something I've been wondering about - is there anything in the brief scene of Rogue at the end which would imply that she didn't have her powers? Like kissing Bobby or something? I can't remember.

She was wearing gloves so they could hold hands, so she still has her powers.
 
You would think that Rogue and Leach, once he's old enough, could come to some sort of arrangement?

5 possibilities come to mind.

1. "You can bang me once for every three times you let me bang Bobby."

2. "Whenever I have sex you can join in if I can join in when your have sex."

3 "You're allowed to watch, but if you touch yourself, I'm giving you the bash."

4 "Money. Money and a blind fold. Of course you have to wear earplugs! I'm a lady you twit!"

5. "Leach Sugar, I have needs, and you are going to learn how to fulfil those needs or I will be beside myself."
 
I'm really not too sure how X1 still could have happened, seems like quite a bit changed due to actions of everyone in this movie. This movie, near as I can figure, pretty much undoes all of the X-Men movies save First Class and *maybe* Origins: Wolverine (depending on whether or not its canon is even being counted to begin with which, if I'm not mistaken, it's largely being ignored given the events in it contradict this movie.)
 
Did anyone else notice how the footage from "The naked time" they used in the film was from the remastered episode? The new chronometer is a dead giveaway that this must be from the remastered episode, which, of course, wasn't around in 1973... ;-)
There's only one explanation--Gene Roddenberry was a mutant!
 
Leaving Quicksilver behind was a head-scratcher.

With Mystique being Stryker at the end does that mean Logan doesn't become Weapon X?
 
Went to see it yesterday. I don't usually say this, but I really loved X-Men: Days of Future Past!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It has so many seamless references to throughout the X-Men movie continuity.

So Days of Future Past explains the serum developed by Beast as how Xavier can walk post-Cuban Missile Crisis? But in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, he was walking and telepathically communicating. How? A later iteration of the serum that temporarily allows both?

I wonder if Peter/Quicksilver's little sister was Wanda/Scarlett Witch. Cause they're supposed to be twins in the comics as they are in the MCU, right?

Something about the Sentinels bugs me. If they're robots then how can their computer chips operate without metal? Diamond circuits? Diamond is only the semiconductor part of the circuit. And if the 2023 Sentinels utilize Mystique's DNA as the basis of their adaptability, then shouldn't they be carbon-based robots who can be poisoned by cyanide or something?

It annoyed me that with all the archive footage from previous movies in the flashbacks, The Wolverine wasn't used.
 
I'm really not too sure how X1 still could have happened, seems like quite a bit changed due to actions of everyone in this movie. This movie, near as I can figure, pretty much undoes all of the X-Men movies save First Class and *maybe* Origins: Wolverine (depending on whether or not its canon is even being counted to begin with which, if I'm not mistaken, it's largely being ignored given the events in it contradict this movie.)
Maybe not an exact re-creation, but rather a similar series of events. If Magneto comes up with same scheme/technology to pull off the "turn the world leaders into mutants" scheme in both realities, then he'll still try to grab Rogue, thus getting the X-Mens attention, thus setting in motion a similar (but not exact) chain of events.
 
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Leaving Quicksilver behind was a head-scratcher.

With Mystique being Stryker at the end does that mean Logan doesn't become Weapon X?

Yeah, leaving Quicksilver behind was an odd choice. I would think what he pulled off in the Pentagon kitchen should've been a very good indicator on what an asset he could be. But we could argue at that point Xavier was still pretty unwilling to let himself get attached to other mutants, particularly younger ones. Would've have been nice to see an aged Quicksilver in the school at the end as Wolverine walks down the halls.
 
I don't see why the events of The Wolverine can't have happened in the new timeline pretty much exactly the same.
Just instead of moping around the Canadian wilderness, Yukio simply finds him at the X-Mansion and he takes a little leave of absence. And he's just not moping about Jean being dead... hey maybe he was moping about Jean still being with Scott. Either way the events of the movie would still be more or less the same.
Apart from the ending maybe where he sticks with Yukio, I suppose he'd just head back home. But that doesn't really make any difference. Esp as I figured Wolverine 3 (or 2 if you will) would be set post-The Wolverine, whereas now I'd guess it will be in this new timeline.

Did anyone else get a "Yesterday's Enterprise" vibe at the end of the movie? There was a big war, and then suddenly everything is back to "normal".
Only because that episode was probably influenced by the original DOFP comic. Or maybe not, but either way the two DOFP issues came first (1981) compared to YE (1990)



BTW, do we know for sure that any of them are dead besides Angel? I remember seeing Angel's autopsy photo in Trask's files but it went by too fast for me to catch any others. (It's comic books, so they're not really dead if we didn't see the bodies. I'm kinda hoping that Azazel teleported himself & Emma Frost away from whatever impending doom was headed their way at the last moment.)
Yeah I definitely remember seeing Azazel's picture, Angel's as you said, and IIRC Riptide's too. I can't remember if Emma Frost's pic was there.

I think I'll be going for a second viewing when I get chance this Thursday. Can't wait.
 
She was wearing gloves so they could hold hands, so she still has her powers.

That makes sense, if the cure ultimately doesn't work long-term. It would also fit with the alleged deleted scene where she's to be rescued because her powers are needed.

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So, let me ask... how many x men timelines as there and which movies are in which?

The series appears to be operating according to "single-timeline" theory.

The timeline originally went FC -> XMO:W -> X1 -> X2 -> X3 -> The Wolverine -> DOFP dystopian future stuff.

After what happens in DOFP it goes FC -> DOFP 1973 stuff -> Apocalypse -> who the hell knows -> DOFP happy future stuff.

( There are some discrepancies between FC and the earlier-released films, and also between DOFP and some of Origins, but that's the gist of it. )
 
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Not to mention that it still feels odd that a character who was just a glorified henchwoman in the first three movies is now so incredibly pivotal and crucial to the story for some reason.
That reason is Jennifer Lawrence.

It was weird seeing Jennifer Lawrence in this movie. Granted, I know she played Mystique in First Class, but even then I forgot she was in that movie. Now that's she's becoming Hollywood's favorite actress and I see her mainly as Katniss Everdeen, I almost think she has outgrown X-Men. Now I wish they would have cast someone else (like Summer Glau) as Mystique, and I like Jennifer Lawrence.
 
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