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Another allusion to the first movie that I noticed was when in the future we see the oppressed humans and marked mutants being herded along in a very similar way to how we saw Magneto's family and their fellow Jews being herded into the gas chambers.
I just got back from it and I thought it was great. Easily the best X-Men movie and a great comic book movie in general. Very good job incorporating both generations of the team. It was a lot of fun and featured a bunch of strong performances.
Definitely my favorite Hugh Jackman performance as Wolverine.
Considering the initial bad buzz about his look, I thought Evan Peters was a blast as Quicksilver.
I've seen people talking about this as retconning the first Wolverine movie and The Last Stand, which is true (particularly in the latter case), but it's not really limited to that. The crux of the movie is preventing nice JLaw Mystique from turning into eviler Rebecca Romijn Mystique, and they succeed at that. So unless she's doomed to end up like that anyway (which goes against the movie's thematic content completely), the plots of both of those movies shouldn't happen (Mystique being more than a little important to both of Magneto's plans).
Anyway, I loved it. Built on the promise of First Class excellently (these two movies together feel like how the X-Men should have been done from the start; not to say that I didn't like the earlier ones too).
The MCU version of Quicksilver will have some work to do to live up to the X-Men film version (and already starts at a bit of a disadvantage in that I don't expect Aaron Taylor-Johnson to suddenly become super-charismatic under Joss Whedon's direction after Matthew Vaughn and Joe Wright, among others, couldn't accomplish that).
Love how important this moment was to this film, and how important it was to the story and characters:
[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4b7gEu7b74[/yt]
Holy crap. That was Uncanny, Amazing, Astonishingly good!
All my fears about Singer returning were allayed, he picked up the ball Vaughn threw so high and scored a winning try. Fassbender and McAvoy were once again phenomenal, even Jackman got a chance to evolve Logan more than any other X-film (And I say that as one of the few people who truly loved The Wolverine).
I suppose I could complain about how Rebecca Roman's Mystique is almost nothing like J-Law's, but how could I complain in any way about the fantastic work Ms Lawrence does, she's once again, incredible.
Dinklage was brilliant, even with the limited amount he's given he truly works wonders, Trask was fascinating to watch.
I'm not sure what else to say, other than, am I the only one who caught the
Sweetmonkeyfuck, it's Cable!
?
Pure speculation on my part, but considering his hair colour, and the perfect symmetry it creates with the post-credits sequence, IMO it's just got to be!
I suppose I could complain about how Rebecca Roman's Mystique is almost nothing like J-Law's, but how could I complain in any way about the fantastic work Ms Lawrence does, she's once again, incredible.
The whole story of the movie is about explaining why the young Mystique isn't much like Romijn's Mystique. Romijn's Mystique became a casual killer and was tortured and experimented on for years.
I suppose I could complain about how Rebecca Roman's Mystique is almost nothing like J-Law's, but how could I complain in any way about the fantastic work Ms Lawrence does, she's once again, incredible.
The whole story of the movie is about explaining why the young Mystique isn't much like Romijn's Mystique. Romijn's Mystique became a casual killer and was tortured and experimented on for years.
You're right. I guess I was just trying to say there's really nothing wrong with the film, but it came out wrong, along with my atrocious misspelling of Rebecca Romijn's name.
I'm rather disappointed the official website doesn't have any downloadable media, e.g., desktop wallpapers, ringtones, Facebook covers, but there are some interesting contents:
The MCU version of Quicksilver will have some work to do to live up to the X-Men film version (and already starts at a bit of a disadvantage in that I don't expect Aaron Taylor-Johnson to suddenly become super-charismatic under Joss Whedon's direction after Matthew Vaughn and Joe Wright, among others, couldn't accomplish that).
Scarlet Witch is a more important character than Quicksilver in the Avengers comics so it shouldn't bother any Avenger's fan if Taylor-Johnson doesn't nail it.
I suppose I could complain about how Rebecca Roman's Mystique is almost nothing like J-Law's, but how could I complain in any way about the fantastic work Ms Lawrence does, she's once again, incredible.
The whole story of the movie is about explaining why the young Mystique isn't much like Romijn's Mystique. Romijn's Mystique became a casual killer and was tortured and experimented on for years.
I thought Professor X said that Mystique was killed after being captured by Trask. That what really bothers me about Mystique, she seemed like two totally different characters based on the original X-men trilogy and First Class/DoFP. Emma Frost is in a similar situation (two different characters sharing the same name). Maybe we are dealing with clones?
Thanks Tosk. I didn't catch that scene. Although all of Logan's flashbacks were superfast, blink and you miss them. Good marks.
Going over the retcon/timey wimey revision of history, I've deduced the following timeline of events.
Original Timeline
First Class (1962) > DOFP (1973 Raven Kills Trask version) > Origins Wolverine (1974-1979) > X-Men (2000) > X2 (2000-2001?) > X3 (200?) > The Wolverine (2013) > DOFP (2023 Mutant's hunted by Sentinels)
Altered Timeline
First Class (1962) > DOFP (1973 Logan helps change history, Raven doesn't kill Trask) > Age Of Apocalypse (1980's) > X-Men (2000) events slightly altered > DOFP happy ending
X2 may have happened by the events wouldn't be exactly the same. Origins, X3 and The Wolverine can't happen thanks to the changes. Parts of Wolverine's origin like him serving in all those wars we saw can happen. However him getting the adamantium is a toss up now. Everything else like Deadpool (Reynolds), Gambit (Kitsch), and Stryker (Huston) recruiting Logan out of Vietnam; are all thrown out.
I saw it last night and I'm still buzzing. So, so good. I LOVED the future parts, especially Blink's powers. And those Sentinels were brutal, I winced as Colossus first had his head bashed in and then was ripped in half at the end.
I liked how Storm was really badass, and loved at the end how we saw Magneto being a hero in the future but villainous in the past.
I liked Beast's 'hulking out' effect, and they made him really badass in this one. All the little nods were great.
Two things though -
One that my friend pointed out - They used Mystique's DNA for the template to make the adaptable Sentinels, but she can only take on the appearance not the actual powers? I'm guessing they somehow found a way to adapt it, but given Rogue's powers I think it would have been cool if they could have worked her in somehow, maybe Mystique's was the first step and Rogue's DNA eventually gave the Sentinels the ability to adapt (or even mention that he somehow got Darwin's DNA).
And speaking of Rogue, they had the perfect opportunity to show her with flight, super strength etc in the future!
Also, at the end, with the speech about causing ripples I thought the point was that no matter how much you change some things are going to be the same, so despite everything Logan was still going to go through the procedure. But then it turns out to be Mystique, which didn't seem to make sense with what the VO was saying.
I hope the events of The Wolverine still happened in some way, shape or form. It would suck for Logan that if after losing Jean and finding Mariko, then saving and (essentially) losing Jean again, if Logan and Mariko had never met in the new timeline. It would make sense that Yashida still would have sought Logan out when he was dying even in the new timeline, thus initiating the same chain of events.
I hope the events of The Wolverine still happened in some way, shape or form. It would suck for Logan that if after losing Jean and finding Mariko, then saving and (essentially) losing Jean again, if Logan and Mariko had never met in the new timeline. It would make sense that Yashida still would have sought Logan out when he was dying even in the new timeline, thus initiating the same chain of events.
Probably, but he might have called in the X-Men to back him up when he lost his powers. Charles would be the logical contact to find out what happened to him.
Technically, the one in Origins was not called Emma Frost in the film, just in promotional materials. So when First Class came out the Origins character was already being "retconned" as just "Kayla's sister Emma". Which is better because the character displays no evidence of telepathic ability.
CaptainCanada said:
I've seen people talking about this as retconning the first Wolverine movie and The Last Stand, which is true (particularly in the latter case), but it's not really limited to that.
This is a question of terminology: I don't know if we should call alterations in the timeline via time travel the same thing as a retcon ( think the 2009 Star Trek film ). If DOFP indulged in actual retconning, it was in areas where the details of the original timeline would appear to have been changed, such as Logan's history during Vietnam and Stryker's age around that time.
Found an inforgraphic that was complied by Empire Magazine prior to the film's release. It clears up a lot of the mess we have with the timelines. According to the graph X-Men (2000) takes place in 2005, X2 (2003) in 2006 and X3 (2006) in 2007. The Wolverine takes place in 2013 just like it does IRL. While Origins surprisingly happens in 1975. 1975 being the last year of Vietnam War. It seems odd Logan who was walking US streets free in 1973 would be in Vietnam with Victor in 1975.
Oh well. Timey Wimey
For info on what happened after X3 check out here. It chronicles the rise of Trask Industries and the fall of mutants.
While Origins surprisingly happens in 1975. 1975 being the last year of Vietnam War. It seems odd Logan who was walking US streets free in 1973 would be in Vietnam with Victor in 1975.
