X-Men: Days of Future Past - Discussion Thread - SPOILERS
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Oh, I disagree. I loved Brian Cox in X2, and think the Sentinels would've been been a little too over the top for that movie. I love the raid on the school as is.
The only problem I had with the original X-Trilogy was that we never really got any other major Mutant villains aside from Magneto in there, or even mutate-like villains like Sinister or a modern Hellfire Club.
I mean sure, the real reason was that they wanted to use McKellan as much as possible but still...
And I still don't think that the Last Stand was THAT bad. Certainly not to the extent I was cheering for it to get erased like everyone else was.
I mean sure, the real reason was that they wanted to use McKellan as much as possible but still...
And I still don't think that the Last Stand was THAT bad. Certainly not to the extent I was cheering for it to get erased like everyone else was.
I have a possible solution to the X-Men Origins: Wolverine timeline conundrum.
Maybe Sabertooth killing his superior officer, Wolverine and Sabertooth getting shot by firing squad, coming back to life, getting recruited into Team X, and Wolverine leaving Team X all takes place within the first 6 months or so of 1973, and so for the remainder of the year Wolverine is living on his own in the U.S. when his future self arrives to change history in Days of Future Past. Then "6 years later" it is 1979 and the main events of Origins or some variant thereof occurs in both timelines.
However if we want to synchronize the movies with real-life, then that's going to be difficult since the Paris Peace Accords were signed on the 27th of January 1973 while the Three Mile Island accident occurred on the 28th of March 1979. However, I don't recall seeing any newspapers in the movies with exact dates.
Maybe Sabertooth killing his superior officer, Wolverine and Sabertooth getting shot by firing squad, coming back to life, getting recruited into Team X, and Wolverine leaving Team X all takes place within the first 6 months or so of 1973, and so for the remainder of the year Wolverine is living on his own in the U.S. when his future self arrives to change history in Days of Future Past. Then "6 years later" it is 1979 and the main events of Origins or some variant thereof occurs in both timelines.
However if we want to synchronize the movies with real-life, then that's going to be difficult since the Paris Peace Accords were signed on the 27th of January 1973 while the Three Mile Island accident occurred on the 28th of March 1979. However, I don't recall seeing any newspapers in the movies with exact dates.
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Characters getting killed off was why I think The Last Stand is awful film.
It's characters acting out of character is one of the reasons why I'm glad Last Stand is wiped away. Magneto being the best example. Goes from an intelligent, compassionate leader of his own kind, to a moron who lets the "pawns" eat it, even though, 30 seconds later he has a mutant who can destroy the weapons in the first place.
I think just ignoring that movie was ever made might be the best possible solution.
Magneto was always doing nasty stuff and being hypocritical throughout the first two movies, he just did a better job hiding his nastier nature. That, or the movie for whatever reason kept portraying him as more sympathetic than he really was.
He was A-Okay killing Rogue, a total innocent, in the first movie because he was unwilling to sacrifice himself, despite trying to give off the feel that he was some wise compassionate mutant Leader. He also had no problem trying to assassinate Charles as well with the Cerebro sabotage.
The second film, he's got no problems trying to wipe out all of humanity. Yes, Stryker tried to kill all mutants but trying to kill off humanity in return just makes Magneto another genocidal maniac.
The 3rd movie, he just abandoned his pretenses and showed his real colors.
He was A-Okay killing Rogue, a total innocent, in the first movie because he was unwilling to sacrifice himself, despite trying to give off the feel that he was some wise compassionate mutant Leader. He also had no problem trying to assassinate Charles as well with the Cerebro sabotage.
The second film, he's got no problems trying to wipe out all of humanity. Yes, Stryker tried to kill all mutants but trying to kill off humanity in return just makes Magneto another genocidal maniac.
The 3rd movie, he just abandoned his pretenses and showed his real colors.
Yeah but when Stryker meets Wolverine in DOFP it's like he's never seen him before. Ohterwise he be like "Hey, Logan"
But he had no other way in X-men to do what he was trying to do. In X3, he could've gotten the handguns destroyed AND still had his forces intact. But how it played out: he lost a chunk of his forces for no good reason. That's just stupid.
I'm not arguing that Magneto is a nice guy to everyone. Him trying to wipe out all of humanity is consistent with his views that mutants are the inheritors of the Earth. It's the essential divide between him and Xavier. So him trying to kill all of the non mutants on Earth makes sense, it's within his character.
But his actions suddenly also make him suddenly seem idiotic. "Hey, I know, let's attack this island, you know what would be great, if I totally announced the attack, like if I took the Golden Gate Bridge and like used it like a boat or a plane."
He still could've done his plan, but, the writers could've shown that he was SMART about it.
Well, he'd been using the serum for 10+ years, so it was more a question that he'd become out of practice - hence the line "I'm flexing muscles I haven't used in years..."
^^^
From that standpoint, it probably was as if he was re-introduced to the shock/stress that comes with his abilities; and while he probably could have regained their full use himself over time (weeks/months) -- they didn't have weeks/months; so with the mental help of his future self, he managed to regain control of his full powers nearly instantly.
One of the problems I have with the advertising of the film, from trailers to TV spots, is them dubbing in different pronouns to make a different point.
Like in this one:
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Like in this one:
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The guns were all plastic, as were the darts. He couldn't stop them.
Wolverine had him pegged, if he REALLY cared so much he'd be Okay sacrificing himself.
And he had to have known in the first movie his machine would still kill people. He had to have tested it on people before Senator Kelly, otherwise he'd never have known the machine would work at all and that using it would drain him of strength (which is why he went after Rogue before he mutated Kelly). He knew the failure risk and was still A-Okay sacrificing an innocent girl instead of himself.
He was fine leaving Charles to die in the Base too. As well as any other captive mutants there.
He did the same thing here, with his attack on the White House. If he was playing it smart, he'd have had the Sentinels go berserk and then swooped in and saved the day thus discrediting Trask and making himself look like a Noble Hero and fool the humans. Instead he intends to broadcast his assassination to the whole world and not expect any backlash against his fellow mutants for this.
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My dislike of X3 had little to do with killing characters (although I will admit to that being a part of it). My issues were with the fact that they totally butchered the "Dark Phoenix" saga.
And before anyone says that it's un-adapatable due to the cosmic elements, I disagree. It would have been a simple matter of changing details. Instead of Jean going into space, eating a star with with an inhabited planet before returning to Earth and being confronted by the Imperial Guard, she eats a Nuclear power plant with a city nearby, causing the government to scramble X-Factor or Freedom Force or any other mutant team that has had govt. connections. Easy.
I think, for the most part, people aren't against characters being killed off if it's done well. Hence nobody really objects to the end of X-Men 2 (though I don't think anyone ever believed that Jean's death there was final) or Star Trek TWOK (albeit plenty of fans did at the time) but plenty of people don't like Nemesis, TLS or the final episode of Star Trek: Enterprise.
They killed Cyclops in the first 20 minutes for no reason, so that Hugh Jackman could kiss the girl on a movie poster without being a douchebag cheater.
They gave the audience what they asked for, not what they needed.
Wolverine's story is that he loves the girl he can't have.
Wolverine never gets a happy ever after, because then he would be happy.
Happy Wolverine is bad.
And that's why Jean had to die.
Jean was going to die anyway, but that just made Scott's death pointless.
There's an episode of Punk'd that I didn't understand.
Hugh Jackman was invited to a BBQ at Brett Ratners mansion, and then Hugh is tricked into thinking that he had/was blamed for burning the place down...
I didn't understand how Hugh could have read the script to X3, starred in the movie and then watched the Last Stand but not treat Brett like some one who shat in his cornflakes while he was eating them.
(Maybe Hugh hasn't seen Last Sand? Some actors don't watch their own movies.)
Maybe Brett is just a decent human being and a good friend who makes god awful movies?
Anything is possible.
They gave the audience what they asked for, not what they needed.
Wolverine's story is that he loves the girl he can't have.
Wolverine never gets a happy ever after, because then he would be happy.
Happy Wolverine is bad.
And that's why Jean had to die.
Jean was going to die anyway, but that just made Scott's death pointless.
There's an episode of Punk'd that I didn't understand.
Hugh Jackman was invited to a BBQ at Brett Ratners mansion, and then Hugh is tricked into thinking that he had/was blamed for burning the place down...
I didn't understand how Hugh could have read the script to X3, starred in the movie and then watched the Last Stand but not treat Brett like some one who shat in his cornflakes while he was eating them.
(Maybe Hugh hasn't seen Last Sand? Some actors don't watch their own movies.)
Maybe Brett is just a decent human being and a good friend who makes god awful movies?
Anything is possible.
They killed him off because Marsden had left to do Superman Returns and because his character was near-irrelevant the whole series.
Then the audience should be more self-aware.
Half that, and half the actual DPS ending.
Singer's own attempt at DPS wasn't going to be all that faithful anyways, it wasn't going to have Mastermind (who they already used in X2) or the Hellfire Club or any of that.
His plot was to have Sigourney Weaver be one of the baddies (the White Queen) as an old flame of Xavier's and her powers now being Empathic Manipulation, she can control a person's emotional state. She'd basically make Jean hyper-aggressive that she'd go bad.
At the end, instead of dying, Jean was to "evolve" into some kind of Energy being (like in Star Trek) and leave Earth while giving some monologue on Evolutionary growth.
Oh! And one more thing concerning my theory that X1 may have still happened in some manner in the new timeline-- there is actual in-movie evidence that it still did-- Rogue's skunk-stripe in her hair. She still has it in the new timeline. For those that may not recall, that happened to her while she was hooked up to Magneto's mutant-making machine in the crown of the Statue of Liberty in X1.
Magneto wanted a backlash. He wanted to start a war while mutants still had the advantage.
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