Spoilers X-Men: Apocalypse - Grading & Discussion

[Commander Richard]

They could have teleported out of the helicopter once the door was open. At that point there would have been a gap in the dampening field or it would have been deactivated.

[Edit] Beaten to it.

As for the aging, why do they have to keep jumping ahead 10 years with each movie? Are they anxious to get us to the present?

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

The problem with it being the late 1970s is that the recruitment needs to happen at a point when combat operations in Vietnam are still taking place.

Doing a quick Wikipedia search, it says that the U.S. was involved in evacuating refugees from Vietnam in 1975. While not a combat mission, perhaps enough of a continuity fig leaf to justify Logan & Victor being in the country at the time. The scene doesn't really give us an idea of why they're there. All we know is that Victor tried to rape a girl, another soldier tried to stop him, and the whole thing got out of hand.

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[Set Harth]

Doing a quick Wikipedia search, it says that the U.S. was involved in evacuating refugees from Vietnam in 1975. While not a combat mission, perhaps enough of a continuity fig leaf to justify Logan & Victor being in the country at the time. The scene doesn't really give us an idea of why they're there.

The helicopter bit looks like combat... and really, why do you even need Logan & Victor if not for combat? You can put them there in a combat mission in 1973 at the latest.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

I figure the helicopter bit was from a previous tour. They went stateside sometime after that, worked for a mob boss in 1973, and then rejoined after that.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Make of this what you will, but this is the official X-Men movie timeline that was released in Empire Magazine back in 2014, prior to DOFP hitting theaters.

 

[Commander Richard]

The new one will have to include Deadpool.

 

[Tosk]

Make of this what you will, but this is the official X-Men movie timeline that was released in Empire Magazine back in 2014, prior to DOFP hitting theaters.

Which, as noted before, has definite errors in it compared to on-screen dates.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Which, as noted before, has definite errors in it compared to on-screen dates.

Singer said back in 2014, that he wished he hadn't added those specific dates back in X1. Referring to the 15 year line with Logan and the Xavier meeting Erik when he was 17 years old. Who could've imagined things would continue this far 16 years later, but yeah it does cause problems. Not a big deal though. The X-Men timeline has been playing fast and loose with the rules (dates, recast actors for the same character, reusing characters in different eras, etc) throughout it's run.

*Shrugs*
Only nerds like us care.

 

[Tosk]

Singer said back in 2014, that he wished he hadn't added those specific dates back in X1

I was thinking of the errors listing the dates of X-Men Origins Wolverine, but okay.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

I was thinking of the errors listing the dates of X-Men Origins Wolverine, but okay.

Yeah, XMO's occurrence of events doesn't fit what Logan was doing in DOFP 1973, or Logan having lost his memories 15 years prior to X1. Having rewatched DOFP several times, I can say the only scene from XMO in DOFP is Sabertooth steeping on Logan's bone claws. In the credits for DOFP all previous X and Wolverine films are cited for their footage though.

 

[Mr Light]

<<Storm didn't really make sense. At first, it seemed like she was allied with Apocalypse because she misinterpreted his motives. She thought he was trying to save the world, not kill everybody. But then, his agenda got pretty dark pretty fast, yet it took a long time for her to move against him. That would be fine except she's suddenly supposed to be one of the good guys now? >>
They didn't mention it in the movie, but in the comics, when Apocalypse upgrades your power he also brain-washes you into following him. I watched the movie assuming the four of them were under some degree of mental control they had to fight off to rebel. Then again, Pocy's objective in the movie was to get Xavier's power to force his will on others... but maybe that's on EVERYONE not just the people he upgrades...?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

<<Storm didn't really make sense. At first, it seemed like she was allied with Apocalypse because she misinterpreted his motives. She thought he was trying to save the world, not kill everybody. But then, his agenda got pretty dark pretty fast, yet it took a long time for her to move against him. That would be fine except she's suddenly supposed to be one of the good guys now? >>
They didn't mention it in the movie, but in the comics, when Apocalypse upgrades your power he also brain-washes you into following him. I watched the movie assuming the four of them were under some degree of mental control they had to fight off to rebel. Then again, Pocy's objective in the movie was to get Xavier's power to force his will on others... but maybe that's on EVERYONE not just the people he upgrades...?

He definitely did not brainwash anyone in this movie. They all had to be convinced for reasons particular to them and both Magneto and Storm simply changed their minds in the end, without any visible difficult or any sense of them 'overcoming' anything.

I can't recall Storm's exact motives anymore, but I don't remember being at all concerned by them. She wasn't as in depth a character as I'd hoped for, but what was there seemed almost perfect to me. I thought her willingness to join Apocalypse was primarily about her disgust for the world around her and the way she and her kind were treated. Apocalypse promised to change that and she was willing to believe in his promise of a better world, even if people got hurt in the process (after all, people were more than willing to hurt her for far less). She was basically a mistreated young kid who just didn't understand that a better way existed - not until she was confronted with the destruction Apocalypse caused and saw her idol standing up against him.

 

[Commander Richard]

He definitely did not brainwash anyone in this movie. They all had to be convinced for reasons particular to them and both Magneto and Storm simply changed their minds in the end, without any visible difficult or any sense of them 'overcoming' anything.

Which I preferred to them being brainwashed.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Storm switched sides when she saw her hero, Mystique, fighting Apocalypse.

 

[Kor]

So...It looks like Nate Gray barely aged at all from 1983 to the future depicted in DOFP.

Kor

 

[JD]

3600 BC, not 36000.

Oops. I know it's a big mistake, but once we start reaching the BC periods I start having trouble remembering what happened how long ago.

 

[Pauln6]

I would have liked the Horsemen to actually have been the horsemen plus the Angel of Death but on the coat tails of Civil War, using X-men allows them to show case characters who would otherwise get no airtime.

Olivia Munn alongside Hugh Jackman in Wolverine 3? Yes please!

The impression I got was that the power-up came with a degree of mind control, but influence rather than domination, stoking their worst motivations along with their powers, which is why presenting strong counter-motivations allowed two of them to break free.

They didn't find Havok's body but even so, I would love to see some of the deceased characters reappear in Sinister's cloning lab - Banshee and Angel would be the top of that list. Maybe the real child-Warren attends the school that Sinister uses for a cover.

 

[Kor]

It just occurred to me that these movies are basically going over the same basic scenario over and over... Charles and Erik don't see eye to eye, but circumstances force them to work together. Erik causes some murderous destruction, and then they end up going their separate ways again because they still don't see eye to eye.

I found that aspect of X-Men: Apocalypse a bit frustrating.

Kor

 

[Turtletrekker]

It just occurred to me that these movies are basically going over the same basic scenario over and over... Charles and Erik don't see eye to eye, but circumstances force them to work together. Erik causes some murderous destruction, and then they end up going their separate ways again because they still don't see eye to eye.

I found that aspect of X-Men: Apocalypse a bit frustrating.

Kor

Exactly! The X-Men movies really need to move beyond the the Charles and Erik relationship, because it's been played out completely. I realize that when you have actors such as Michael Fassbender and Jennifer Lawrence in your cast, you don't relegate them too unimportant side rolls. However, the focus on their characters really took away from this movie. The focus should have been more on Apocalypse himself, and the new students.

 

[Noname Given]

So...It looks like Nate Gray barely aged at all from 1983 to the future depicted in DOFP.

Kor

Hell, even in the comic book versions in general - one superpower EVERYBODY has (in addition to whatever the 'accident' or genetics gave them) is the ability to age SUPER SLOWLY over the course of decades. Plus, proximity to a super powered individual seems to grant that power to close family/friends.