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X-Men: Apocalypse announced for May 2016

Tosk said:
DWF said:
Tosk said:
Considering Kitty's age, I'm thinking probably not. She wasn't even born yet in 1983. :)
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Kitty was introduced in the X-Men back in 1980 when she was 13 and a half, so she could still make an appearance in the movie.
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You know we're talking about the movies, right?
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But Jubilee was also a student in Kitty's class in X1 and X2 and Angel was only a few years older than Kitty in X3 and yet both seem to be appearing as teenagers in Apocalypse. Although most of Jubilee's X2 scenes were cut, she is clearly the same character (unlike Psylocke in X3 who displayed none of Betsy's trade-marked telepathic abilities on screen). I'm also fairly sure Jubilee gets a name-check.

We don't yet know what monkeying Apocalypse has done with the time-stream. While it's very unlikely that Kitty will appear any time soon because it will boost the number of characters beyond manageable, we can't say for sure how or if she will crop up ahead of schedule.
 
Pauln6 said:
But Jubilee was also a student in Kitty's class in X1 and X2 and Angel was only a few years older than Kitty in X3 and yet both seem to be appearing as teenagers in Apocalypse.
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Good point on Jubilee. I'm guessing that seeing as Kitty became a front-and-center character she's more set in stone, whereas Jubilee was a glorified easter egg.

Angel and Jean are roughly the same age though, as seen in the "20 years ago" prologue of X-Men III.
 
Those EW covers make me even more hopeful that the new Star Wars and Ghostbusters movies will give my daughter some Halloween costume options that include pants.
 
Tosk said:
Pauln6 said:
But Jubilee was also a student in Kitty's class in X1 and X2 and Angel was only a few years older than Kitty in X3 and yet both seem to be appearing as teenagers in Apocalypse.
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Good point on Jubilee. I'm guessing that seeing as Kitty became a front-and-center character she's more set in stone, whereas Jubilee was a glorified easter egg.
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Not unprecedented. Bill Duke's character in The Last Stand was named Bolivar Trask, but Days of Future Past ignored that and gave us a Trask who was around 30-odd years earlier and played by Peter Dinklage. And Kayla's sister in Origins: Wolverine, set in the '70s, was supposed to be a teenaged Emma Frost (though she wasn't called by name onscreen), but First Class ignored that and gave us an adult Emma in the '60s. Then there's the cameo by Steve Bacic as Hank McCoy on a TV screen in X2, which was ignored when the decade-older Kelsey Grammer was cast as Beast in The Last Stand.

At least now we have the excuse that the timeline has changed, so the characters don't have to be born at the same time. Sure, you can play fake-physicist and argue that it doesn't make scientific sense for the same person to be born years earlier or later in a different timeline, but there's plenty of precedent for it in comics -- compare DC's Earth-One and Earth-Two from the Silver Age, for example, where people like Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, and Dick Grayson were two decades older in one than in the other.
 
Then there's Siryn in X2 (Screaming Irish girl), who in the comics was Banshee's daughter-but you've got him probably killed off between First Class and Days of Future Past (I don't think he's seen in the autopsy photos but I believe Magneto mentions he got killed).

So I think they might've skipped a generation or Siryn might be unrelated (or still semi-related, perhaps the daughter of the XCU's Black Tom Cassidy or something).

Plus there's the whole Victor Creed/Sabretooth mess, although it's possible I suppose Victor had his memory wiped ala Wolverine and went more feral explaining his state in the first film.


I wonder if they'll mention the possible connection between Mystique and Nightcrawler (Which of course has been brought up and confirmed many times in the comics). I also have the feeling that she might die, given that Lawrence doesn't really want to do any more X-men. Granted, the character's a shape-shifter....
 
And then there are the upcoming Gambit and Deadpool movies, which are pretty clearly disregarding the versions from Origins: Wolverine, even though Wilson/Deadpool is still played by Ryan Reynolds. Origins put those characters in the '70s, but there's no indication that Deadpool or Gambit will be a period piece, as far as I know. So they'll probably change age too.
 
Robert Maxwell said:
Apocalypse looks fine.
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Out of context, that's not a phrase you'd ever expect to hear... ;) (Unless it's like "It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...")

But yeah, I don't see what the problem is with the makeup. It's a rather odd sort of techno-organic hybrid thing that's unusual for mutants in the X-Men film series, but it doesn't look bad per se.
 
Christopher said:
Bill Duke's character in The Last Stand was named Bolivar Trask, but Days of Future Past ignored that and gave us a Trask who was around 30-odd years earlier and played by Peter Dinklage.
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The thing I liked about DOFP was they gave Dinklage's Trask an African American secretary. I wondered if Bill Duke is Peter Dinklage's son.

Eh, probably not intentional.
 
I'm not sure if Duke's Trask was ever given a first name in spoken dialogue. Maybe he was an unrelated person with the same surname. (Just as the "Emma" of Origins was never named onscreen and can easily be assumed to be a different person altogether from Emma Frost. Particularly since, as Kayla's sister, her surname was presumably Silverfox. And her power was different from Emma's -- just being covered by a coating of what looked like cut diamonds, rather than turning into a solid but animate diamond.)
 
Only semi-related, but I still think that one of the biggest mistakes in the X-Men movies was Emma Frost in First Class. I love that movie, but I wish we'd gotten an Emma more like the comics version, with some actual personality and maybe more relevance to the plot (or at least have her do more varied stuff). In First Class she's basically there to be Shaw's psychic alarm, and to "sex up" a few scenes. The story would probably be almost unchanged if they removed her. Its actually a problem with the X-Men movies in general. The X-Men franchise has a lot of interesting characters, but when the movie uses them the majority are basically cameos, with only the same few getting any significant character stuff. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the X-men who have gotten focus so far a lot, I just wish we'd see a few of the background characters used better and fleshed out more.

Apocalypse is probably a good start with the young X-Men, but it does kind of suck that its too late for a bunch of characters who have been killed off or who wouldn't fit in the current past era the movies are covering (Emma, Banshee, Colossus, etc).
 
Christopher said:
At least now we have the excuse that the timeline has changed, so the characters don't have to be born at the same time. Sure, you can play fake-physicist and argue that it doesn't make scientific sense for the same person to be born years earlier or later in a different timeline, but there's plenty of precedent for it in comics -- compare DC's Earth-One and Earth-Two from the Silver Age, for example, where people like Clark Kent, Bruce Wayne, and Dick Grayson were two decades older in one than in the other.
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It's not the existential question of 'is it the same person or not?' that's the problem. The timeline was changed in 1973. The new movie takes place in 1983. Unless these characters are 9 years old, they were born before the timeline changed...

Doctorwhovian said:
Then there's Siryn in X2 (Screaming Irish girl), who in the comics was Banshee's daughter-but you've got him probably killed off between First Class and Days of Future Past (I don't think he's seen in the autopsy photos but I believe Magneto mentions he got killed).

So I think they might've skipped a generation or Siryn might be unrelated (or still semi-related, perhaps the daughter of the XCU's Black Tom Cassidy or something).

Plus there's the whole Victor Creed/Sabretooth mess, although it's possible I suppose Victor had his memory wiped ala Wolverine and went more feral explaining his state in the first film.
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Well, the movies clearly don't line up 1-1 with the comics, so Siryn isn't technically a 'problem' at all. She just wasn't directly associated with the character you expected her to be associated with.

I thought I read somewhere that an official said at one point that Victor Creed from Origins and Sabretooth from Xmen 1 were just treated as two completely different characters with no connection, but I suppose it may have just been a rumor I heard.
 
Also isn't Collosus in Deadpool, and not played by Daniel Cudmore? I guess because maybe he isn't much of an actor (He barely has any lines in the three films he appears in).
 
Christopher said:
Tosk said:
Pauln6 said:
But Jubilee was also a student in Kitty's class in X1 and X2 and Angel was only a few years older than Kitty in X3 and yet both seem to be appearing as teenagers in Apocalypse.
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Good point on Jubilee. I'm guessing that seeing as Kitty became a front-and-center character she's more set in stone, whereas Jubilee was a glorified easter egg.
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Not unprecedented. Bill Duke's character in The Last Stand was named Bolivar Trask, but Days of Future Past ignored that and gave us a Trask who was around 30-odd years earlier and played by Peter Dinklage. And Kayla's sister in Origins: Wolverine, set in the '70s, was supposed to be a teenaged Emma Frost (though she wasn't called by name onscreen), but First Class ignored that and gave us an adult Emma in the '60s. Then there's the cameo by Steve Bacic as Hank McCoy on a TV screen in X2, which was ignored when the decade-older Kelsey Grammer was cast as Beast in The Last Stand.
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Well the other Trask could still be Larry Trask. The Beast Snaffoo can be explained away by Hank using his serum for some TV appearances. These are not insurmountable incongruities. I think use of Moira MacTaggert in two entirely different time frames with two entirely different backgrounds and two entirely different nationalities is a far worse boo boo. Use of Gabrielle Haller instead would have been more sensible and leave the door open for Legion in a future movie.

I get frustrated if they just toss around characters for the sake of it. A throwaway line about the timeline being altered inexplicably would be all it would take to keep me happy though. It's possible that Emma and others could show up again - Mister Sinister has a tendency to produce clones. If they intend to tie in the young actors for two more movies after this one, maybe with Psylocke taking over the telepathic mentor role, the Hellfire Club would be cool, although Sinister and his Marauders might make better recurring villains if Apocalypse is defeated and Magneto bows out.
 
Pauln6 said:
I get frustrated if they just toss around characters for the sake of it.
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How did you get through all the previous movies?!

A throwaway line about the timeline being altered inexplicably would be all it would take to keep me happy though.
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Bryan Singer has said himself he considers the X-Men films to constitute a rather loose continuity.

Just suspend your disbelief and relax. :)
 
Robert Maxwell said:
Pauln6 said:
I get frustrated if they just toss around characters for the sake of it.
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How did you get through all the previous movies?!

A throwaway line about the timeline being altered inexplicably would be all it would take to keep me happy though.
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Bryan Singer has said himself he considers the X-Men films to constitute a rather loose continuity.

Just suspend your disbelief and relax. :)
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I don't get overly wound up over the little discrepancies and the way the movies have been made helpfully allows me to ignore Wolverine: Origins and First Class, which removes most of the stuff that offends me :vulcan:. X1-3, the Wolverine, and Days of Future Past slot together very nicely on their own. Rose Byrne's return in Apocalypse might cause me some issues but if she's had a mutant child in the interim, she might have given up being a CIA agent and become a scientist. They might end up carting her off to Muir Island where she can... er... develop false accent syndrome or something or maybe be telepathically convinced that she's Scottish. That might smooth it over for me. :rofl:
 
Pauln6 said:
I don't get overly wound up over the little discrepancies and the way the movies have been made helpfully allows me to ignore Wolverine: Origins and First Class, which removes most of the stuff that offends me
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Um, the timeline change in Days of Future Past doesn't affect First Class.
 
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