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I don't think Kurt Angle will ever go to ROH. They cannot afford him for one and secondly why would he leave the financial and character/push stable TNA for a minor league promotion?
I wouldn't rule out Angle wrestling for ROH as part of a working agreement with TNA, but it would only be a couple of matches at most and against their top talent.
I wouldn't rule out Angle wrestling for ROH as part of a working agreement with TNA, but it would only be a couple of matches at most and against their top talent.
I disliked Cena for a long time. I suppose it was his run against Edge that really turned around my opinion of him. I think that feud is going to be remembered as one of the great ones over the next couple of decades. He's a good worker who breaks his back for the business and actually seems to give a damn about the business. I'm not nuts about the way WWE books him, but I will stand by the notion that he's an asset to the company for both merchandise and delivering good television and good matches.
The IWC has been boring me to tears since I was about sixteen. The comments section for any news/opinion site in general can be ugly, but it doesn't get much uglier than the ones you can find on wrestling sites.
during the edge cena fued I was a edge I liked him better as a heel. I feel the same way with christian. I liked his comment last week (who's jimmy?). R-truth is just becoming more and more anoying by apearing on both RAW and SMACKDOWN. Looking forward to tonight since we have A Impact wrestling ppv.
Personally I don't think Cena is given a typical push like the rest of the roster has. He seems to be pushed when the WWE needs him or at random times when the WWE can't think of anything or they've stubbed their toe. Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for John despite the rep he has among fans. I just get sick and tired for seeing him pushed for seemingly no reason at all.
Kurt Angle will not go to ROH. He signed a three year deal with Impact Wrestling and is comfortable with the company. I take it he wants to retire with the company and most likely will.
Kurt Angle will not go to ROH. He signed a three year deal with Impact Wrestling and is comfortable with the company. I take it he wants to retire with the company and most likely will.
In regards to my earlier post about the IWC. Here are 5 of the most common things that the IWC can't seem to stay away from, without understanding the reasons.
1) Daniel Bryan should be part of the main event.
2) Turn John Cena heel.
3) PG sucks.
4) Fire Vince Russo.
5) "Insert Name" needs to be pushed.
Rather than just demanding that it needs to happen and being constantly disappointed when it doesn't, why does the IWC not just take some time to educate themselves with the reasons for why things don't go their way.
Daniel Bryan isn't in the main event because he isn't over enough yet to warrant a push of that caliber. WWE have shown faith in his abilities to do so with him winning the MITB briefcase, however it remains to be seen if he is able to win the World Heavyweight Championship.
WWE won't turn John Cena heel because it would adversely affect merchandise sales and outreach to the community. If Cena goes heel he will probably be requested to remain in character, that means not being able to continue his charity work and make appearances for various organisations. Cena will turn heel eventually, but its fully dependant on WWE having one or two workers at his level who they have enough confidence in to take his place as the top babyface and outreach worker during his heel turn.
PG sucked at the beginning because it was a refinement period for WWE. The reason they went to PG was for three reasons. The first to attract more sponsors (including a very lucrative contract with Mattel). The second was as damage control following the Signature Pharmacy scandal, the Chris Benoit situation and of course the poor reception of storylines such as the Vince McMahon death angle. The third reason was purely for progressive reasons. They wanted to reach out to a wider market and by turning into a PG entertainment company they've been able to do that. Now that PG has been in effect for a while, the storyline quality and character refinement has greatly improved. PG can still be edgy and clever, it just needed to be ironed out.
Vince Russo is the cause of some poor decisions and storylines in TNA, however the real problem is the management and production team who choose to run with his more ludicrous ideas. Russo on a good day can still contribute some good work, but he really needs to be replaced as Head Booker, purely for efficiency. As part of the booking team, rather than the head, he is much more valuable.
The reason many workers don't get pushed is down to three things...
1) An executive doesn't think the worker has what it takes, therefore its in the workers interests to make them rethink that opinion through hard work and improvement. (CM Punk, Christian and Daniel Bryan)
2) The worker in question isn't over enough with the crowd to justify a push and therefore needs to work harder on his or her promo and crowd skills. (Drew Macintyre and Cody Rhodes)
3) The worker in question has bad attitude or a bad reputation backstage with those who have influence amongst the executives. (Chris Jericho and John Morrison)
The names in parathesis are example of workers who have been victims of such.
1) Daniel Bryan should be part of the main event.
2) Turn John Cena heel.
3) PG sucks.
4) Fire Vince Russo.
5) "Insert Name" needs to be pushed.
Rather than just demanding that it needs to happen and being constantly disappointed when it doesn't, why does the IWC not just take some time to educate themselves with the reasons for why things don't go their way.
Daniel Bryan isn't in the main event because he isn't over enough yet to warrant a push of that caliber. WWE have shown faith in his abilities to do so with him winning the MITB briefcase, however it remains to be seen if he is able to win the World Heavyweight Championship.
WWE won't turn John Cena heel because it would adversely affect merchandise sales and outreach to the community. If Cena goes heel he will probably be requested to remain in character, that means not being able to continue his charity work and make appearances for various organisations. Cena will turn heel eventually, but its fully dependant on WWE having one or two workers at his level who they have enough confidence in to take his place as the top babyface and outreach worker during his heel turn.
PG sucked at the beginning because it was a refinement period for WWE. The reason they went to PG was for three reasons. The first to attract more sponsors (including a very lucrative contract with Mattel). The second was as damage control following the Signature Pharmacy scandal, the Chris Benoit situation and of course the poor reception of storylines such as the Vince McMahon death angle. The third reason was purely for progressive reasons. They wanted to reach out to a wider market and by turning into a PG entertainment company they've been able to do that. Now that PG has been in effect for a while, the storyline quality and character refinement has greatly improved. PG can still be edgy and clever, it just needed to be ironed out.
Vince Russo is the cause of some poor decisions and storylines in TNA, however the real problem is the management and production team who choose to run with his more ludicrous ideas. Russo on a good day can still contribute some good work, but he really needs to be replaced as Head Booker, purely for efficiency. As part of the booking team, rather than the head, he is much more valuable.
The reason many workers don't get pushed is down to three things...
1) An executive doesn't think the worker has what it takes, therefore its in the workers interests to make them rethink that opinion through hard work and improvement. (CM Punk, Christian and Daniel Bryan)
2) The worker in question isn't over enough with the crowd to justify a push and therefore needs to work harder on his or her promo and crowd skills. (Drew Macintyre and Cody Rhodes)
3) The worker in question has bad attitude or a bad reputation backstage with those who have influence amongst the executives. (Chris Jericho and John Morrison)
The names in parathesis are example of workers who have been victims of such.
I like cody rhode's new persona and when he comes out to the ring with his hoodie on he so looks like a sith lord. I all so like daniel bryan and would like to see more done with him. he's been the united states champion and I do believe intercontinel champ as well. not a drew fan at all but I do like how they are trying to turn shaemus in a face. and as far as vince russo goes he needs to retire big time. and the wwe needs to back to being a pg13 rating but to do that it needs to back to spike or sci fi channel.
Cody Rhodes and Ted DiBiese Jr have done almost nothing since Legacy broke up. They keep constantly repacking the characters. They were an awesome tag team together and should have remained together instead of being split apart. This is another thing that I can't stand with WWE. They too give up on things and talent way too much.
I disagree about the notion of WWE doesn't want to turn Cena heel due to losing merchandise sales. I think they simply don't know what to do with John because of the constant fan division. If they aren't aware of this, then they're stupid and one thing that Vince isn't is stupid. I truly don't think they know what to do with John at all and just leave him as a face by default because fans will continue to just boo or cheer him either way.
I disagree about the notion of WWE doesn't want to turn Cena heel due to losing merchandise sales. I think they simply don't know what to do with John because of the constant fan division. If they aren't aware of this, then they're stupid and one thing that Vince isn't is stupid. I truly don't think they know what to do with John at all and just leave him as a face by default because fans will continue to just boo or cheer him either way.
Yeah I can see how that might be the case. I'm not sure, my thoughts on Cena are based on the business side of things. If Cena turns then younger fans aren't going to buy his merchandise. Its like younger Superman fans, nobody wants a Lex Luthor t-shirt when they can have Supes' shirt with the logo.
I do agree with what you've said though, the lack of development on the character of Cena is down to WWE not knowing how to proceed. But again you have to factor in the variables that are preventing them from trialling a new character or even gimmick for Cena.
If they changed Cena and gave him an entirely different gimmick...then I could see a full blown heel change or something. I think they dropped the ball with the Rock insulting him, they could have had John be jealous of the Rock and kind of play up on his hard work with the WWE over the years and being under appreciated by the fans. Yet they didn't do this and kept him a strong face. I think he'd make a really solid heel but he needs a whole sale gimmick change.
I think there is a possibility that they might trial run a Cena heel turn post Wrestlemania. I think because Miami is The Rock's hometown and that he will obviously be the crowd favourite, Rock will go over in the match. That rules out Cena doing a turn in the match (cheating to win).
Eh....I just think it's very hard to predict anything that WWE does with Cena. I think he needs a couple months rest my self. That probably won't happen. They depend on him too much.
WWE vs Impact Wrestling vs ROH is anyone watching?
cena's the new hulk hogan for the wwe era "nuff said".
Impact ppv is going if anyone is watching crimson remains undefeated for the bound for glory ppv. and pope finally got some damn points as well.
Okay for those who care and for those who don't Kurt angle is now the IMPACT WRESTLING CHAMPION. most likely there will be a rematch this thursday.
cena's the new hulk hogan for the wwe era "nuff said".
Impact ppv is going if anyone is watching crimson remains undefeated for the bound for glory ppv. and pope finally got some damn points as well.
Okay for those who care and for those who don't Kurt angle is now the IMPACT WRESTLING CHAMPION. most likely there will be a rematch this thursday.
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Re: WWE vs Impact Wrestling vs ROH is anyone watching?
Angle's champion again. Huh. Doesn't surprise me. Do they care at all about giving their "new" guys a push or is this going to be a new version of the old boys club where only the vets get the chances at the Gold? I still think Sting was granted an automatic Title reign when he resigned. Angle makes sense. What the hell is happening with Ken Anderson? I know I probably shouldn't talk shit about Impact Wrestling since I've not been watching and barely been paying attention but they put a lot of work into building his character up...I would have thought he'd been a World Champ by now.
Angle's champion again. Huh. Doesn't surprise me. Do they care at all about giving their "new" guys a push or is this going to be a new version of the old boys club where only the vets get the chances at the Gold? I still think Sting was granted an automatic Title reign when he resigned. Angle makes sense. What the hell is happening with Ken Anderson? I know I probably shouldn't talk shit about Impact Wrestling since I've not been watching and barely been paying attention but they put a lot of work into building his character up...I would have thought he'd been a World Champ by now.
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Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin 1/3 - Summerslam 2001
Good times.
Kurt Angle vs. Stone Cold Steve Austin 1/3 - Summerslam 2001
Good times.
Admiral it looks like they are trying to turn Anderson Face which is just a bad idea he doesnt have the personality for it. The creative at Impact have no idea how to elevate talent or showcase new guys, they didnt when they were in WCW(only two ideas actually worked NWO & Goldberg)and they dont now. Dixie should have let Heyman in and given him creative control, at least Impact would be entertaining. I tried to watch the show on Thursday but the piped in booing during the opening segment was just atrocious. Absolutely noone in the crowd was even paying attention yet the fake boos just kept raining down. Hey Impact if the crowd isnt into it you are doing something wrong, try again.
This is a pretty disturbing set of pictures that pretty much says it all about Daizee Haze's illness...I'm really shocked, she is such a talented performer and I hope she can work through her problems. Where health is concerned, wrestling isn't a priority.
I think WWE (primarily) and the other big companies, need to change their attitudes about the way they feel their Diva's should look. Daizee is an example of what can happen if pressure is put onto anyone about their look.
I think WWE (primarily) and the other big companies, need to change their attitudes about the way they feel their Diva's should look. Daizee is an example of what can happen if pressure is put onto anyone about their look.
They give up on things far too quickly in a lot of cases. Dibiase/Rhodes is a good example. You're talking about two very talented wrestlers, both of whom are pretty good on the mic. It's a shame there hasn't been a larger fan response to them. That could be part of it.
I'm still not a big fan of the PG era, but it's definitely improved. People love to wax nostalgic about the Attitude era, and there were a lot of phenomenal things within it, but there were also a lot of really, really stupid angles and characters going on.
Anyway, WWE seems perfectly willing to throw the PG rating out the window, when someone like Austin or The Rock shows up (or in Punk's "shoot" interview), so I've never really understood the level of whining that the subject has brought out in some people.
Solid PPV outing by TNA last night. They've had a couple of those in a row now. That doesn't really mean much for the long-term, and TNA's problems remain pretty severe, but at least they're been delivering a better-than-usual product. It'd be nice if that actually led somewhere (it won't).