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Randy Savage will be inducted this year.

This is going to sound horrible, but they should wait for Scott Hall to drop dead... I mean... pass on before considering to induct him as well.
 
Satyrquaze said:
This is going to sound horrible, but they should wait for Scott Hall to drop dead... I mean... pass on before considering to induct him as well.
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Yeah, that is pretty horrible...

WWE has a "thing" about inducting deceased wrestlers. This all goes back to the negative media attention they recieved between 2004-2007, during which time numerous media sources uncovered lists of wrestlers who died before their 50th birthday and who had worked for WWE.

It would be wrong for them not to induct Savage, given that he is a beloved figure in the world of wrestling and drew a shitload of money for WWE during his 80's heyday. It seems that Savage's induction has a lot of support backstage and Vince has eased up on references to Savage in recent years with DVD features, action figures and CM Punk using the flying elbow drop, etc.
 
Yeah, I'm all for Savage getting in the HOF, I just don't think Hall deserves the HOF with his career as it currently stands.

I think if the getting into the HOF actually means something as a point of pride or status, then I don't think Hall should be rewarded for squandering his career with alcohol and drug abuse. He had all the tools to be a true main eventer and a multi-time World Champion. He chose not to. I mean if you want to induct Hall, you may as well induct Gangrel, Bull Buchanan, and X-Pac too.

I know I'm going to get some flak for this, but I personally would rather see Chris Benoit inducted than Scott Hall.
 
Ed Gein has more change of being inducted than Chris Benoit...

Here's some people that will NEVER be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame...

Nailz
Jose "Invader" Gonzalez
"Gentleman" Chris Adams
Vince Russo
Buff Bagwell

Anyone else I'm missing?
 
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Benoit will never be inducted and Vince I believe has gone out of his way to erase him from the archives. There was some example of this on youtube...of course being youtube I took it as a grain of salt. Benoit will always be a touchy subject because of what happened at the end, that will always overshadow his accomplishments.

Personal problems aside...I just don't think Scott has accomplished enough in terms of titles what not to merit induction. There are too many guys ahead of him. Unless they do induct the New World Order at some point (look how long it has taken for the original Four Horseman, and most fans would argue that the Horsemen made more of an impact and were more popular than the nWo. Not to mention the Horsemen have longevity as a stable a lot longer as well) perhaps 2016 when it will be the 20th anniversary of Hogan's heel turn and the formation of the faction.
 
I cant see Hall making the the HOF either just because his body of work is not that impressive. He had a ladder match and helped form the NWO end of story. Nothing else really comes to mind, in ring that would warrent any recognition by the HOF. Of course much like any HOF it all comes down to who you know and played with. Bob Griese HOF material? I think not but there he is.
The HOF at this point really needs to think about cutting down on the number of inductees every year. Less is more..something Vince just doesnt understand.
 
Regarding Chris Jericho's "promos"... I'm starting to wonder if we won't hear him say anything worthwhile until after the Royal Rumble...

Food for thought.
 
Satyrquaze said:
I know I'm going to get some flak for this, but I personally would rather see Chris Benoit inducted than Scott Hall.
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Here's an interesting twist: You're not the only one. Yes, Chris did what he did at the end and will always be remembered most for that, but his in-ring accomplishments cannot be denied, no matter how much Vince McMahon wants us to forget about him. As a comparison, O.J. Simpson still has a place among the Heisman Trophy winners, and look at all the things he's done to tarnish his legacy. Reggie Bush got kicked out for far less. If the WWE Hall of Fame had even half the meaning or prestige (which it doesn't), Benoit surely would have to be at least considered.
 
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Here's an interesting twist: You're not the only one. Yes, Chris did what he did at the end and will always be remembered most for that, but his in-ring accomplishments cannot be denied, no matter how much Vince McMahon wants us to forget about him. As a comparison, O.J. Simpson still has a place among the Heisman Trophy winners, and look at all the things he's done to tarnish his legacy. Reggie Bush got kicked out for far less. If the WWE Hall of Fame had even half the meaning or prestige (which it doesn't), Benoit surely would have to be at least considered.
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OJ Simpson was found "not guilty"...

Chris Benoit is still a member of the WON Hall Of Fame despite a re-vote following the tragedy. He is also recognised by several promotions around the world as being a champion at one point or another. That's recorded stuff that they can't just pretend never happened...

In regards to recognising Benoit for his accomplishments, I just don't see how anyone can disregard the horrible things that Chris Benoit did. Sure, he was probably insane as a result of brain damage, but that doesn't excuse what he did.

Chris Benoit was my favourite wrestler prior to what happened at the end of his life. Many people in the business regarded Benoit as one of the best, if not the best. His skill and dedication to the craft were incredible and he could work great matches with practically anyone.

But none of this matters in retrospect because Benoit is a murderer who killed his family and then took his own life. Adolf Hitler was a talented artist and writer, but that's not what people recognise him for...
 
I actually didn't think much of Hitler's artwork, the stuff that I've seen in books and such.

That's beside the point. Should Benoit be in the HoF? Absolutely. His accomplishments were considerable, and I'd argue, greater than some of the guys who are in there already. It's just not going to happen in Vince McMahon's lifetime. Let's say the HoF is around in twenty years. Let's just say that comes through. Then, I could *possibly* see Benoit getting in. I don't see it happening at all, but if it does, a whole lot of time is going to have to pass.

I think Scott Hall deserves a place. You're talking about one the WWE's biggest stars during the rocky mid-90's, a guy who held numerous titles in WWE and WCW, a guy who participated in a match that is still referenced today (WM X), someone who was an integral part of the Monday Night Wars, and someone who made up one-half of one of the best (in my opinion) tag teams of the 1990's. He was a big part of the 90's wrestling landscape, and I would argue he was a better worker than some of the opinions here are suggesting. I think he deserves a place.

I do agree that there are guys who should get in ahead of him though (cough*BRUNOSAMMARTINO*cough).

Right now though? Maybe not. I agree that giving him a place now might come across as rewarding someone for squandering a lot of big chances.

Then again, getting into the HoF, seeing what his legacy at its best stands for, that could be something that might compel a man to finally clean up his act. That's just a thought, and it's probably not a very realistic one.
 
Admiral M said:
OJ Simpson was found "not guilty"...

Chris Benoit is still a member of the WON Hall Of Fame despite a re-vote following the tragedy. He is also recognised by several promotions around the world as being a champion at one point or another. That's recorded stuff that they can't just pretend never happened...

In regards to recognising Benoit for his accomplishments, I just don't see how anyone can disregard the horrible things that Chris Benoit did. Sure, he was probably insane as a result of brain damage, but that doesn't excuse what he did.

Chris Benoit was my favourite wrestler prior to what happened at the end of his life. Many people in the business regarded Benoit as one of the best, if not the best. His skill and dedication to the craft were incredible and he could work great matches with practically anyone.

But none of this matters in retrospect because Benoit is a murderer who killed his family and then took his own life. Adolf Hitler was a talented artist and writer, but that's not what people recognise him for...
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Whoa. How'd we get from Benoit to O.J. (who did it regardless of whether he was found guilty or not, and is rotting away in prison for subsequent offenses anyway) to Hitler? My point was that O.J.'s still there because of what he did on the field, and hasn't been removed despite the crimes he's committed since then. Nor should he be.

Same goes for Benoit. Regardless of what he did which may or may not have been brought on by the fact that his brain had been turned to mush by all the concussions he sustained over the years, he remains my third favorite wrestler of all-time because of what he did INSIDE the ring. Based only upon what he did in the ring, I think he deserves consideration from any pro wrestling HOF.

"And that's all I have to say about that." ~Forrest Gump
 
Admiral M said:
In regards to recognising Benoit for his accomplishments, I just don't see how anyone can disregard the horrible things that Chris Benoit did. Sure, he was probably insane as a result of brain damage, but that doesn't excuse what he did.
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Excuse? No. But, by the letter of the law, his lawyers could have easily gone with an Insanity Defense. If he was insane, and tests on samples of his brain show that he had Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy. Had Benoit not killed himself, he likely would have been found unfit to be tried for a double homicide given the damage done to his brain over the years. And probably would have been institutionalized in a higher security institution. Course, Benoit clearly felt a lot of guilt over his actions and likely would want to die for his crimes.

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...most common symptoms [of CTE] include depression, cognitive impairment, dementia, Parkinsonism and erratic behavior. Experts believe that CTE may have been a cause or contributing factor in the Benoit tragedy.
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It's completely unfair to compare Benoit to OJ Simpson and especially unfair to compare him to Hitler of all people.

Both men were arguably sane and not heavily brain damaged when they did or did not commit the actions of which they are primarilly remembered. Course, Hitler's sanity is a conversation for another time and place, by people more qualified than me.
 
Satyrquaze said:
Course, Benoit clearly felt a lot of guilt over his actions and likely would want to die for his crimes.
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There is no way to know what Benoit felt, he could have been so mentally deranged that he believed he needed to die and that his family should die too. If he felt remorse, surely he would have left a letter or something explaining his actions?

This was clearly pre-meditated, given that the murders occured over a weekend.
 
Well to be sure, one of the murders was pre-meditated and comes off to me as some sort of deranged act of mercy. The other has the earmarks of an act of passion.

The bibles left near the bodies tell me that he indeed felt remorse for his actions. Perhaps he felt that was 'letter' enough.

It seems to me, that if he had his full mental (if not psychological) faculties and it was as pre-meditated as you say, then the murders would have taken place of the course of minutes, not days.
 
Okay so back to wrestling...yeah on Score Television's Aftermath show after Jericho returned, they were saying that it wouldn't be surprising if Jericho continued to troll us and build up heat for himself until Royal Rumble. The promos talked about coming back to take back what he was his. I'm assuming that was talking about the WWE Title. I can now totally see a CM Punk Vs Chris Jericho match for the WWE Title. In fact so far if this happens I'd be stoked for this. I really wish they would have had Steph return to TV as a heel GM for Raw. Smackdown needs a big time shake up. Teddy Long is no longer funny and I think has run his course.

Ric Flair confirms he'll be "on stage" at the HOF ceremony. He's still under TNA contract.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/quicknews/article_56894.shtml

TNA sounds dysfunctional.

http://pwtorch.com/artman2/publish/quicknews/article_56893.shtml
 
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I've a question that I've always wanted answered. Does anyone know who the nWo voice over guy was on their promos and who did the ring announcements at nWo souled out? I always dug his voice. He's also the dude who goes new new new world order and does the Biggest Icon In Wrestling Bit in Hogan's theme.
 
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