Wouldn't recent events lead to full war between Fed and Romulan Free State?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Yistaan, Mar 29, 2020.

  1. AlanC9

    AlanC9 Commodore Commodore

    May 5, 2004
    That's an odd definition of "threw under the bus."
  2. Tarek71

    Tarek71 Commodore Commodore

    Nov 17, 2007
    Yes, I think I know what Sci was aiming at, but "throw under the bus" is not the right phrasing. If anything that conveys nearly the opposite of what was Sci was unpersuasively arguing there. It also just happens to have absolutely no bearing on whether S31 is part the govt. My personal fave was, "if they are spying on members of the govt, how can they be part of the govt"? Whut?! That lives in infamy.
    Last edited: Apr 4, 2020
  3. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

    Feb 4, 2002
    The Old Mixer, Somewhere in Connecticut
    Alright, I'm putting my foot down. @Tarek71 , @Sci , and anybody else--if you want to endlessly debate the nature of Section 31, take it to an appropriate forum. They weren't in Picard.
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    AI Generated Madness
    That's exactly what Section 31 would want you to think. :shifty:
  5. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    The Wormhole
    The warbirds likely are actual Romulan military design. The Zhat Vash likely don't have the resources or capabilities of building and staffing a fleet of 218 ships, even relatively small ships these were seen to be. Therefore, the ships are likely part of the Romulan military, which Oh/Nedar commandeered using Tal Shiar authority.

    As for the uniform, presumably since the Zhat Vash is so uber secret, and Nedar was operating publicly, it would make more sense for her to wear an official publicly known Tal Shiar or Romulan military uniform rather than a Zhat Vash uniform. At the risk of dragging Section 31 back into this topic, you'll note Sloan only wore his black leather Section 31 outfit when he and Bashir were having either private chats or chats in the presence of other Section 31 folk. In all other scenes, Sloan is wearing either a Starfleet uniform or civilian clothes.
  6. Sci

    Sci Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Mar 2, 2002
    Montgomery County, State of Maryland
    Yeah, it makes the most sense that that fleet was either regular Free State military or dedicated Tal Shiar. If it was regular military, Nedar probably used her position as a Tal Shiar agent to commandeer the ships and place them under her command; if the fleet was Tal Shiar, then ditto. And I don't think it's clear yet that either the regular military nor the Tal Shiar necessarily recognized the Zhat Vash's infiltration of their ranks before the Battle of Coppelius, but they're probably aware of Zhat Vash influence in their ranks now.