Would you watch a Sulu/Excelsior series?
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In a novel didnt she end up as Captain of the Enterprise B?
Even though I liked the NV episode with Takei in I think hes too old to star in a TV series now to be believable...a series set after the TOS movie era with him appearing as a guest star Admiral Sulu could work.
If the new movie takes off and there are sequals there wont be the random appearances by the original actors, it would be lame and Nimoy being in this one is to help set the story. Sorry all fans of Shatner and co, it would be the ultimate death throw to have them back...better to bring in Archer and a ghostly Trip
Even though I liked the NV episode with Takei in I think hes too old to star in a TV series now to be believable...a series set after the TOS movie era with him appearing as a guest star Admiral Sulu could work.
If the new movie takes off and there are sequals there wont be the random appearances by the original actors, it would be lame and Nimoy being in this one is to help set the story. Sorry all fans of Shatner and co, it would be the ultimate death throw to have them back...better to bring in Archer and a ghostly Trip
Yes, Serpents Among the Ruins.
I think Takei is too old. I think what the franchise needs is an ensemble cast, perhaps a space station ala K-7 near the frontiers of the Federation with a couple of ships that dock regularly and report to the station commander-Adm Sulu. In that context it might work.
Actually, that's EXACTLY why this COULD work.
A character who has a "hook" to draw people in, but is essentially a blank slate, open to all variety of character growth and development, playing off the strenghts of the person playing the character.
Why does the franchise need an ensemble cast?
Seriously... and note I'm not saying you're WRONG, necessarily... but WHY do you say that?
Is it because "that's what I'm used to?" If so... that's not a valid argument.
Some great shows have been ensemble shows. Some great shows have been "star vehicle" shows. The original series was a "star vehicle" show... with Bill Shatner being the star. Eventually, Nimoy and Kelley grew into nearly the same stature as Shatner. But it was never truly an "ENSEMBLE" show. Everyone else... Doohan, Nichols, Takei, Koenig, etc, etc... were SUPPORTING CHARACTERS. Not "members of an ensemble."
TNG tried... often WAAAY too hard... to be an "ensemble" show. As did most of the other latter Trek series.
So, I ask, again... WHY do you think that any Star Trek show needs to be an "ensemble" show? Omitting that one argument, "that's what way I'm used to it being."
I'm kinda in agreement with Cary. I think one of the problems with the later spin-offs (especially Voyager) is that they had too many characters to balance in the show to the point where simply stopped writing for some. ENT sometimes had this problem, but from the outset, it was designed to be a Archer-T'Pol-Trip show (an idea that was fully embraced as the series went on).
If Trek returns to TV, I would think a good idea would be to have a smaller main (in credits) cast, but another good idea would be to have a few recurring background/supporting characters to maintain some kind of consistency. Kinda like how SG-1 was back in the day. They had four main characters (and to an extent 5...but Hammond was rarely the focus of an episode), but had numerous background, recurring characters.
If Trek returns to TV, I would think a good idea would be to have a smaller main (in credits) cast, but another good idea would be to have a few recurring background/supporting characters to maintain some kind of consistency. Kinda like how SG-1 was back in the day. They had four main characters (and to an extent 5...but Hammond was rarely the focus of an episode), but had numerous background, recurring characters.
Perhaps sturmde is also refering to the several novels in which Demora Sulu has appeared in.
Maybe so, but I think they already did that. It was called Deep Space Nine. Sorry to be snarky, but it's after 1:30 am my time! -- RR
I would've liked to have seen an Excelsior series instead of either VOY or ENT. But I agree with others that I think Takei is too old for a 7 year series.
I think it would be cool though if they did some Excelsior DVD movies. Takei would get the starring role I assume he wanted and Excelsior fans would finally get to see a project.
If they did that I do agree with the idea that they would need a new cast. Perhaps have Rand and Tuvok as guest stars, but a new, younger cast to balance the older Sulu would probably work nicely. And if they tie to some big event like Tomed, Norkan Massacres, Khitomer Attack, etc. then that might interest TNG or other Trek series fans as well.
I think it would be cool though if they did some Excelsior DVD movies. Takei would get the starring role I assume he wanted and Excelsior fans would finally get to see a project.
If they did that I do agree with the idea that they would need a new cast. Perhaps have Rand and Tuvok as guest stars, but a new, younger cast to balance the older Sulu would probably work nicely. And if they tie to some big event like Tomed, Norkan Massacres, Khitomer Attack, etc. then that might interest TNG or other Trek series fans as well.
Re Sulu being too old...
If (and that's a MIGHTY BIG IFFFF...) they chose to do this, it might be that you'd have Sulu in command for only the first season, then he'd get promoted to Admiral. (Considering how hard Takei lobbied for Sulu to get a promotion to Captain, I can't imagine him fighting this TOO hard.) He'd then become an occasional GUEST STAR (on the same level as, say, Admiral Nechayev on TNG).
That, I dare say, would work far better than having a seven-year "It's the George Takei Show!" series.
Frankly, I don't see the appeal of a Sulu series. The period between TOS and TNG is mostly dead air. No Romulans, no Borg, no Q...about 75% of the fleet made up of Mirandas 
, etc. (although...maybe we can tie the fate of the ENT-B to the borg somehow...afterall, all events are directly related somehow...NO! EXTERMINATE!)
Anyway, it just doesn't strike me as much better than the Wesley at the acadamy series. Who is this appealing to again?
Yeah, the cast of ENT was dead weight a lot of the time. I think ENT would've been a tighter show if they'd only given the big three 'starring' status. I mean, the other characters could still be there, but they wouldn't have been forced to have an irrelevant Mayweather/Reed/Hoshi/Phlox scene in every single episode.
And VGR Often had multiple episodes go by with a Title character getting only one or two lines.
, etc. (although...maybe we can tie the fate of the ENT-B to the borg somehow...afterall, all events are directly related somehow...NO! EXTERMINATE!)Anyway, it just doesn't strike me as much better than the Wesley at the acadamy series. Who is this appealing to again?
Yeah, the cast of ENT was dead weight a lot of the time. I think ENT would've been a tighter show if they'd only given the big three 'starring' status. I mean, the other characters could still be there, but they wouldn't have been forced to have an irrelevant Mayweather/Reed/Hoshi/Phlox scene in every single episode.
And VGR Often had multiple episodes go by with a Title character getting only one or two lines.
Definitely think an Excelsior series would work. IIRC, every time a TOS character made a cameo on the newer shows, the ratings were boosted. Seems to me that that's what people want.
That, and that the OP's question was "Would you watch a Sulu/Excelsior series?" (bold added)
Again, I'd certainly love to see "a" Sulu on the big screen, just the female one
And the Enterprise-B or the Excelsior, either would be fine. I guess it could be around the Tomed Incident period? 2311 or so, methinks?
I like the poster suggesting Yeoh. I'd watch.
Then again, we could go for something completely different and consider Margaret Cho. A kick-in-the-mouthy Demora Sulu with a wicked sense of humor, who wouldn't be pushed around by anyone. But that wouldn't be as watchable, nor fascinating. But it would be interesting.
In a word ... No.
I'm perfectly OK with a show centered around either Hikaru Sulu and the Excelsior or Demora Sulu and the Enterprise-B. My only concern is Takei's age, which pretty much disqualifies him from reprising his typecast role.
There are quite a bit of canonical starship classes (Constellation, Constitution, Excelsior, Miranda, Oberth, and only-mentioned Merced, Renaissance, etc.).
Furthermore, there is a sheer wealth of non-canonical starship classes from this timeframe, I'd like to see some of them incorporated into the canon:
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Okinawa_class
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Akula_class
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9749/akyazi.html (Akyazi-class)
http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Abb%C3%A9_%28NCC-5300%29 (Abbe-class)
http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/dock.p...aymore- classes
ancient said:
about 75% of the fleet made up of Mirandas
There are quite a bit of canonical starship classes (Constellation, Constitution, Excelsior, Miranda, Oberth, and only-mentioned Merced, Renaissance, etc.).
Furthermore, there is a sheer wealth of non-canonical starship classes from this timeframe, I'd like to see some of them incorporated into the canon:
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Okinawa_class
http://startrek.wikia.com/wiki/Akula_class
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Nebula/9749/akyazi.html (Akyazi-class)
http://stexpanded.wikia.com/wiki/USS_Abb%C3%A9_%28NCC-5300%29 (Abbe-class)
http://www.battleclinic.com/docks/dock.p...aymore- classes
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