Spoilers Would you consider the things that Matalas wanted to happen as canon?
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Why do "audio logs" count? They're not part of the actual show. They're not required listening. Many fans (such as myself) are unaware they even EXIST.
Sometimes the line isn’t so clear. When he says that things were considered to be filmed, does that mean they’re facts but off-screen?
That's not how it works.
No, that is a conditional statement and not one meant to offer clarity
I would tend to agree actually, but that’s the reason for the thread.
That’s fair.
Don't get too worried about canon. If you want it to happen, it happened. Unless something happens in a new episode showing it didn't. The only problem with that is when people take their imaginations and director comments as being some kind of gospel and try to force their opinions on others. We've gotten way too worried about canon.
The problem with this standard is that subsequent producers have no compulsion to follow these materials. Sure, maybe Matalas wanted Wang to play Captain Kim at some point, but then cut the part for budget. OK, what stage was the script in when the part was cut? Was it first or second draft or after extensive rewrites, the day before shooting? It's cheap for Matalas to say it could have happened. However, let's speculate if Wang had filmed scenes in a captain's uniform. We might use that to inform our understanding of the story, but the trailer that had Wang could be safely ignored. In the next series, Wang was thrown forward in time as a ensign, picked up by Discovery, and his experiences form the entire season. Whatever appeared in the trailer would be completely overwritten.
Ouch!
Fixing ...
What? We see the ship has clearly been refit in TMP. We don't actually need to see the refit being done to know it's been refit, when we can clearly see the finished result onscreen. This feels like the whole "it's not canon they change their clothes unless we actually see them in a locker room changing their clothes" thing that SG-1 made a couple of jokes about in its 200th episode.
Doesn't matter. Unless it is actually stated in an episode or movie it is not canon. Just like all the stuff Bryan Fuller said about the nature of Michael Burnham's relationship with Spock in the first season of Disco, which was ignored in the second.
SNW followed that up though. I wouldn't be surprised if was Akiva who pushed it up, as he was co-showrunner on both PIC Season 2 and SNW Season 1.
Per CBS themselves, canon is only what actually appears on screen.
Future writers can probably ignore those logs if they want.
I would not consider the things Terry wanted as Canon. I'll tell you why, but I have to backtrack.
On Mad Men (a series that took place from 1960 to 1970), this is what Matt Weiner -- creator of the series -- said happened to Don Draper (the main character): “He’ll probably find a fourth or fifth wife and then die in like 1981 from hard living.” We're never going to see more Mad Men, so, as far as I'm concerned, Don Draper died in 1981, never truly changed anything about himself, and it caught up with him. No one else is ever going to come up with something else in that universe and it'll never be contradicted.
Star Trek: Picard is a VERY different animal. It's part of a franchise with several spin-offs. Terry Matalas isn't the only Showrunner and his show isn't the only show. We're also moving into a time, more and more, where the people making Star Trek are and will be those who grew up with TNG. And they're going to want to have their say too. So, no, it's not just because of Canon. What Terry Matalas says might very well turn out to be the case, but some other writer, creator, or showrunner might have something else in mind. So we can only go by what's seen or mentioned on screen.
On Mad Men (a series that took place from 1960 to 1970), this is what Matt Weiner -- creator of the series -- said happened to Don Draper (the main character): “He’ll probably find a fourth or fifth wife and then die in like 1981 from hard living.” We're never going to see more Mad Men, so, as far as I'm concerned, Don Draper died in 1981, never truly changed anything about himself, and it caught up with him. No one else is ever going to come up with something else in that universe and it'll never be contradicted.
Star Trek: Picard is a VERY different animal. It's part of a franchise with several spin-offs. Terry Matalas isn't the only Showrunner and his show isn't the only show. We're also moving into a time, more and more, where the people making Star Trek are and will be those who grew up with TNG. And they're going to want to have their say too. So, no, it's not just because of Canon. What Terry Matalas says might very well turn out to be the case, but some other writer, creator, or showrunner might have something else in mind. So we can only go by what's seen or mentioned on screen.
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This was a very bad example to make your point.
Scotty flat-out says it was. "Admiral, we have just finished 18 months redesigning and refitting the Enterprise. How the Hell can they expect her to be ready in 12 hours? She needs more work, sir! A shakedown!" And then the fact that Kirk isn't familiar with the ship anymore is repeatedly pointed out by Decker. Kirk has to ask for directions, when walking down a hallway. Then there's McCoy's line, "They probably redesigned the whole sickbay too! I know engineers! They love to change things!"
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To me the things Terry wanted or planned to do and couldn’t are currently Schrödinger’s Canon. They neither are nor aren’t. Until they’re directly contradicting/superseded by something actually on screen (if ever) though, I’ll go with them.
Harry Kim is still an ensign though.
Harry Kim is still an ensign though.
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