Yep, bingo. That kind of what I was trying to say in my original post. Update where necessary, but the aesthetic has to be familiar.
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Would you accept a TOS-era spinoff with updated visuals, but otherwise kept established continunity?
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Yep, bingo. That kind of what I was trying to say in my original post. Update where necessary, but the aesthetic has to be familiar.
I have to disagree. "Personal canon" is all any of us truly do have. All of us must internally process an external reality. We each interpret reality in our own way. Usually we all tend to agree in what that reality is. But our understanding is still based on the sensory inputs and processing of our brain.
I'd hope they get the original cast to play themselves at a young age. Cheap sets and low budgets. Hire provocative writers, not to question our contemporary social assumptions and not just pander to markets and sponsors - but to simply offend, take all story elements to extremes, and violate all human social norms. Cheesy synthesizer music and chroma key special effects. Cameos by porn stars, rappers and politicians. Complete inconsistency of backstories and world building. Lots of dutch angles and lens flares. Monsters in rubber suits. Space Ninjas. Dubbing that can only be described as "wrong".
Also, I'd fully intend to b*, moan and groan throughout the entire run based only on the trailers.
This makes me happy. Run with that.
- But to be honest, the stage-theatrical production style of TOS might not translate to contempo aesthetics. No one's painting soccer balls for set pieces any more. It would certainly end up being "different enough" from TOS. But I 'd be OK with a touch of mod 60's styling for light flavoring. I'd also prefer TOS-style morality plays to 4D superhero posturing. But if there was one piece of advice I'd offer, it'd be to create new stories and alien encounters rather than rehash old ones.
Also, I'd fully intend to b*, moan and groan throughout the entire run based only on the trailers.
This makes me happy. Run with that.
- But to be honest, the stage-theatrical production style of TOS might not translate to contempo aesthetics. No one's painting soccer balls for set pieces any more. It would certainly end up being "different enough" from TOS. But I 'd be OK with a touch of mod 60's styling for light flavoring. I'd also prefer TOS-style morality plays to 4D superhero posturing. But if there was one piece of advice I'd offer, it'd be to create new stories and alien encounters rather than rehash old ones.
There's some things I wouldn't change, like I think the Star Trek Beyond uniforms are a great update to the TOS uniforms but I'd love to see security with more protection/armour, hand held force shields or personal forcefields SOMETHING! I like the Kelvin's bridge and I'd go with something like that for a redesign. I haven't watched much TOS so other than keeping with the general design of things I don't care what they change.
Yes. Next question?
How do you feel?
I'm afraid you'll have to repeat that five to ten times, much to my confusion. After a time travel adventure to save the whales, I'll be able to tell you I feel fine. But the message will be relayed to you through my dad.
My problem with the visuals in ENT has nothing to do with the modern look in itself. My problem is that the NX-01 looked like the Akira only upside down! Right down to the same proportions. That was my biggest beef with the visual. NX-01 did not need to look like an upside down greebloed Akira. I would love to see a Daedalus Class ship interpreted in Kelvin style design elements. I would have loved for that to have been the NX-01. And that ship named Columbia or Discovery or anything other than Enterprise.
Yes, my second biggest beef was that the NX-01 was all greebled up. This was the trend set with the movies and VOY. It typified a mindset or a rut that the creators of Star Trek were in. Blinders. Ships must be named Enterprise. Ships must have saucer and nacelles. Ships must be all greebled up with detail upon minuscule detail. As I've stated many times you can have a modern look without totally disregarding the sleek smoothness of TOS.
Here, see for yourself:
http://www.modelermagic.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/kg_gabe-k_1701_016.jpg
http://orig10.deviantart.net/e15f/f/2009/318/4/3/my_starship_enterprise_by_gabekoerner.jpg
Overall, I have zero problem with the aesthetic of Kelvinverse Star Trek prior to the Narada's incursion. I was quite happy with that reinterpretation of the Trek design lineage. My problem with the aesthetics of the NuEnterprise is twofold. 1 is yes, the ship appears too new or modern. It looks like a damn shopping mall or Mac store. The technology looks way more sophisticated and advanced than TOS. 2 is that the NuEnterprise pays absolutely no attention to the mathematic details of the TOS Enterprise. It's not just that the Enterprise had a saucer, 2 nacelles and a lower engineering section. There were geometric ratios built into the original design. Matt Jefferies in his wisdom designed the ship to follow several proportional ratios, including the Fibinacci golden ratio.
You can read about this:
https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/abrams-vs-fibonacci-or-why-the-09-enterprise-looks-off.275218/
https://www.goldennumber.net/uss-enterprise-golden-ratio-design/
http://caoimghgin.blogspot.com/2008/11/starship-design-and-golden-ratio.html
NuEnterprise ignores all this. It's a pig of random parts thrown together and designed with no thought in mind. It's not the sleek modern interpretation I hate, it's the ugly imbalanced lack of proportion as well as the sleek, glossy, Mac store interior.
I love the NuTrek uniforms. Hate the brewery engineering section. And the phasers are stupid.
But none of this has anything to do with modern design skills.
It's possible to stay closer to the original design while having a modern updated look. Heck, I'm even happy with this CGI remaster: I really don't have a problem with the bridge consoles looking more modern. In fact, I think this minor adjustment alone goes a long way in making TOS feel futuristic once again.
I'm interested in DISC and looking forward to it. My fanboy resistance cherry was popped by NuTrek. I'm fine with whatever they do. TOS and Prime Universe is dead. Long live the Prime Universe!
I'm with you 100%.
What do you got against space ninjas? (joking)
I loved those too. Fresh and original, but yet very TOS-ish.
I've seen that video before. That's actually pretty close to what I kind of imagine an updated TOS-era bridge would look like.
[sarcasm]Oh, great. Just great.[/sarcasm]
I expect much more than the visuals to be updated. Modern technology will be the basis for Discovery's version of the 23rd century, and it'll be much more impactful than what the control panels look like.
I was completely fine with the TMP and onward Klingons and readily embraced the idea that these were what Klingons always looked like. In hindsight I wish DS9 would have simply taken Michael Dorn out of the TNG style makeup and had him appear as a TOS Klingon. It would have ruined the joke but whatever...
Or just not included him, and had the Starfleet personnel ignore the Klingon differences, then the "always-looked-that-way" people and the "they-are-different" people could both have their way.
I'd accept it only if in the remake of Return of the Archons they say "Are you of the Canon" instead of "Are you of the Body."
I think that might've raised too many questions. Personally, I think answering the question was the right call since the disparity is too big to easily brush off as a "just ignore it." (As an example, I think the revision of the Bajoran makeup is so small that an explanation is not only not needed, but would also be unwelcome.)
(Speaking of Klingon makeup, I saw the leaked Discovery photo now. Those are not Klingons.)
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