Why was it so hard to do simple things like keeping count of the crew or remembering important events that had happened on the show. Plus since for the first two years, Voyager was moving on a straight line toward the aplha quadrant then how come the primitive Kazons were not only able to keep up with them but they seemed to have colonies along the way, not to mention the Talaxian colony that came to their rescue. Are we supposed to believe that the stupid Kazons control a space that's so vast that it takes two whole years to cross it? and that the talaxians have colonies spread over such a distance, without a passing comment on the one they find in season 7 of course.
Would we have watched Voyager if they HADN'T gotten Caretaken?
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The Kazon were established as being nomadic tribes driven from their home space, that formed sects, and had established territories belonging to those individual sects. Kazon space was not a Federation, Klingon or Romulan style, all encompassing region for the entire species.
As bad luck would have it, the road Voyager took, brought them into or near the domain of various sects, all of them fanned into a frenzy over the lure of capturing a technologically advanced starship by our friendly neighborhood Cardassian Seska. One sect feared the advantage the Nistrom or other, would have if they gained Federation tech, and whether they wanted to or not, made getting their hands on Voyager a priority.
As bad luck would have it, the road Voyager took, brought them into or near the domain of various sects, all of them fanned into a frenzy over the lure of capturing a technologically advanced starship by our friendly neighborhood Cardassian Seska. One sect feared the advantage the Nistrom or other, would have if they gained Federation tech, and whether they wanted to or not, made getting their hands on Voyager a priority.
They should have made *this* premise clearer from the get-go, instead of implying that the Kazon wanted the ship for their *water*, which was always a really, really stupid idea. I mean, sure, their ships are supposed to be more primitive, but if you can manage warp power, you're at a tech level where you can synthesize water.
I'd have been happy with a continuation of TNG, TNG with new crew or a new ship in the Alpha quadrant.
In fact I'd have preferred it - no awful Kazon, no swept under the carpet Maquis in the crew sillyness, no phony resources shortages, hopefully no Janeway...
Voyager could have been an excellent survival story with a different script (and some cast changes) but it was poor as 'TNG lite'...
Not to mention that there must be thousands of planets within reach of a spaceship with water on them. Or are we supposed to believe that this whole region contains only desert planets? Even Neelix relation to water is suspect, he is a space traveler for pete's sake! Knows a region of space spreading over thousands of light years and yet he's never taken a bath?
Starring Liam Neesan, no doubt.
The problem with the "Lost Ship" thing is that there's only 1 season or so worth of life in it. After that, without any other plots to drive the show, it just becomes clear there's nothing else to the show aside from "Go Home" which they can never do without ending the show.
Every other "Lost Ship" show of the last 40 years always either ended after a few seasons or dropped the "Lost Ship" thing after a season to focus on something else.
LEXX: Dropped the "Lost Ship" thing partway into season 2 to focus on the Mantrid plot, then the Heaven and Hell plot, then ended in S4.
Farscape: Dropped the "Lost" thing after S1, became more about the Peacekeeper/Scarran war and the danger of Wormhole weapons.
NuBSG: Ran out of steam after 2 seasons, fell apart in the 3rd, needed a literal deus ex Machina to end things.
Stargate Universe: canceled after 2 seasons.
It's just not enough.
Every other "Lost Ship" show of the last 40 years always either ended after a few seasons or dropped the "Lost Ship" thing after a season to focus on something else.
LEXX: Dropped the "Lost Ship" thing partway into season 2 to focus on the Mantrid plot, then the Heaven and Hell plot, then ended in S4.
Farscape: Dropped the "Lost" thing after S1, became more about the Peacekeeper/Scarran war and the danger of Wormhole weapons.
NuBSG: Ran out of steam after 2 seasons, fell apart in the 3rd, needed a literal deus ex Machina to end things.
Stargate Universe: canceled after 2 seasons.
It's just not enough.
Maybe not, but you can still do the TNG style planet of the week stuff too.
I could believe that, I guess, if for some reason the distribution of hydrogen or oxygen in that part of space was light. But it seems to me that if that were true and you had life, it would be based on some other elements and molecules, instead. Maybe those worlds had an abundance of silicon dioxide, and life that thrived in it that we never saw for whatever reason, and the carbon/water folks had moved there from where they had evolved, elsewhere?
Neelix couldn't get water for the same reason a lot of the stuff in the series happens: The writers established something they weren't prepared to maintain the implications of.
The made water a rarity to make the DQ seem more exotic, without any intention of letting the establishment of this fact limit the stories they wanted to tell later. They could have supported the rarity of water by expanding the role of Jetrel in the history of the region. Just say, planets in the region with ample water were rendered uninhabitable by biological weapons. But, then they couldn't have done Time And Again and have it be a thriving society that obviously had plenty of water. If water were so rare there's no reason the Kazon shouldn't have regularly raided it. They certainly do not observe the prime directive. Nothing ruins a good story like paying attention to the implications of things you've previously established.
The made water a rarity to make the DQ seem more exotic, without any intention of letting the establishment of this fact limit the stories they wanted to tell later. They could have supported the rarity of water by expanding the role of Jetrel in the history of the region. Just say, planets in the region with ample water were rendered uninhabitable by biological weapons. But, then they couldn't have done Time And Again and have it be a thriving society that obviously had plenty of water. If water were so rare there's no reason the Kazon shouldn't have regularly raided it. They certainly do not observe the prime directive. Nothing ruins a good story like paying attention to the implications of things you've previously established.
We're talking about a region that it took Voyager two years to cross. That's no small region!
I'd watch that movieStarring Liam Neesan, no doubt.
If they had remained in the Alpha Quadrant, it could have been exploring unknown part of space on the far side of Cardassian space.
With the new treaty in place it could have been the first time the Federation had the opportunity to go there.
After a couple of seasons the DominionWar breaks out and they get seperated from the Federation not by 75.000 ly but by hostile territory.
They could still do some of their lost in space episodes that way and maybe pick up Marquis Crewmembers who endedup in a simular situation and now forced to work together.
They could evendo the Equinox story, where Ransom is exploitibg the aliens not to get home, but to wage war against the Cardassians, and so on...
With the new treaty in place it could have been the first time the Federation had the opportunity to go there.
After a couple of seasons the DominionWar breaks out and they get seperated from the Federation not by 75.000 ly but by hostile territory.
They could still do some of their lost in space episodes that way and maybe pick up Marquis Crewmembers who endedup in a simular situation and now forced to work together.
They could evendo the Equinox story, where Ransom is exploitibg the aliens not to get home, but to wage war against the Cardassians, and so on...
There is a plausible explanation.
I take the liberty to quote the Kes Website and the page called "Voyager mysteries-and how to solve them" whene one chapter deals with the Kazon-Ogla water problem:
Here's the thing though. If carbon based life exists on a planet there must have at one point been water. Which means that all planets in the surrounding area which harbor intelligent life must have had water at one point and lost it.
Or maybe there's a spacial anomaly that's made of antiwater, it annihilates all atmospheric water it comes in contact with. (From the ad hoc spacial anomaly committee)
Keeping it in the AQ may have actually given the Maquis story some more beef. The pilot episode could have literally had the same initial story: Voyager is assigned to track down Chakotay in the Badlands. Only instead of getting hurled across the galaxy, circumstances force the two crews to work together in the Alpha Quadrant.
With the rest of the Maquis actually living in the Alpha Quadrant, Chakotay and Co. might have actually had more to do, and there may have been more tension among the crew. With Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, the Maquis storyline doesn't serve much of a person. What were the Maquis going to do? There were like 4 of them.
With the rest of the Maquis actually living in the Alpha Quadrant, Chakotay and Co. might have actually had more to do, and there may have been more tension among the crew. With Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, the Maquis storyline doesn't serve much of a person. What were the Maquis going to do? There were like 4 of them.
Keeping it in the AQ may have actually given the Maquis story some more beef. The pilot episode could have literally had the same initial story: Voyager is assigned to track down Chakotay in the Badlands. Only instead of getting hurled across the galaxy, circumstances force the two crews to work together in the Alpha Quadrant.
With the rest of the Maquis actually living in the Alpha Quadrant, Chakotay and Co. might have actually had more to do, and there may have been more tension among the crew. With Voyager in the Delta Quadrant, the Maquis storyline doesn't serve much of a person. What were the Maquis going to do? There were like 4 of them.
I fail to see why it's important that the story remains in the AQ. In the AQ there's absolutely no reason why the two enemy crews should cooperate.
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