would we have seen the Romulan war?

[Guy Gardener]

Nebusj said:
Actually, closer to 1200 for Pluto and ``Cheron'', as opposed to the 481,000 for Pluto and Charon. And since 685 of that first set of pages comes up searching for ``Cheron Pluto Charon'' I stand by the ``typo'' theory.

Possibly complicating things is that there's also the somewhat novel asteroid Chiron, which may inspire typos and confusion as well.

Dude. The ferryman Charon is from a story before writing. It's from the oldest oral legend preserved to the modern day that was around while writing was being invented, and probably from oral legends before that which we forgot about... A greek legend which has been shaking about for the last 4000 years in almost every single language and tweeked to be as comfortable as possible in all those languages, on this planet during that 4000 year period well before the invention of the dictionary in the 17th century when many words were written very differently by equally impressively educated people.

I live in New Zealand. I was in a Doctors office the other day. On the wall in the childrens play area there was a frieze of the Solar system in MAORI, and although most of the names of the planets were recognizable, they were not in English... The Maori didn't even have a written language till the church forced one on them in the 19th century but for some reason they have seen fit to rename the solar system and rename the Greek Gods the planets were named after(Roman? frack!)just for the hell of it because they got into the game so late...

In the original post which is causing this contention, I already said that this was not probably the intention of the writers of Defector, that they did not have Pluto in mind, BUT since this is all FICTIONAL, that retroactive continuity can rape the intentions and beliefs of the original writers heart felt intentions and the scope of their actual knowledge on a given knowledge so that one thing can later mean an entirely different thing.

By the way...

Exactly how did you get those results with your googling?

Of course there is a planet Cheron in Star Trek Law.

On stardate 5730.2, the Enterprise is on a mission to help decontaminate the polluted atmosphere of the planet Ariannus when sensors track a Federation shuttlecraft reported stolen from Starbase 4. The craft is disabled and brought aboard along with its strange alien pilot who is found injured and taken to sickbay. The man later awakens and identifies himself as Lokai — a political refugee from the planet Cheron who requests asylum. Lokai's most striking feature is that his skin is half black and half white, the two halves split perfectly down the center of his body. His unique physiology is explained by Doctor McCoy as possibly being "one of a kind".

But surely that world would not have been newly discovered to the humans then if that was the site at which the Romulans finally said uncle.

 

[Nebusj]

Guy Gardener said:
Dude. The ferryman Charon is from a story before writing. It's from the oldest oral legend preserved to the modern day that was around while writing was being invented, and probably from oral legends before that which we forgot about...

I am certain that you are making an important point here, but I do not have any idea what it is.

By the way...

Exactly how did you get those results with your googling?

I followed the link provided in your post, and read the number of results returned on the line which begins ``Results 1-10 of about ... ''

I then used Google to search on the words Pluto Charon in the same entry, and then Pluto Charon Cheron.

Of course there is a planet Cheron in Star Trek Law.

Yes. It's not obvious why that would be a battle site between the Federation and the Romulans, other than that it is a Class M planet reasonably well industrialized (if in desperate need of repair) and uninhabited.

I am still eager to learn of when it was established on-screen that the Battle of Cheron had anything to do with the Earth-Romulan conflict.

 

[TeutonicNights]

I am still eager to learn of when it was established on-screen that the Battle of Cheron had anything to do with the Earth-Romulan conflict.

I think it was in "The Defector" (TNG) when Jarok said

The humiliating defeat at the Battle of Cheron has not been forgotten. The new leaders have vowed to discard the treaty and claim the Neutral Zone.