Would Voq/Tyler still have a Klingon lifespan and live till the 24th/25h century?

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  1. Yistaan

    Yistaan Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    It just occurred to me that the last time we saw a Klingon turned into a human, Arne Darvin still maintained a Klingon lifespan and easily lived until Deep Space 9. Would Voq turn out the same way? Or was his lifespan reduced to a human's to fool sensors? I don't think this was ever discussed.

    In this scenario, it's entirely plausible that Tyler/Voq would be around in the TNG era, or could even show up in the Picard show. They might have to age up Shazad with makeup or get an older actor to portray him though.
     
  2. Mr. Laser Beam

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    The snag is, we don't know how Darvin gained a human appearance.

    He can't have gone through the same process as Voq, as in "Trouble with Tribbles" we see McCoy scan Darvin and immediately know that he's a Klilngon. OTOH, when Tyler/Voq was on the Discovery, all medical scans showed he was human.

    Darvin was probably one of the QuchHa' (the human looking Klingons we saw in TOS). Thus it would have only taken some minor cosmetic surgery to make him look human. Voq, being a full Klingon, needed extensive work done, much more than Darvin.
     
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  3. BillJ

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    Federation could have just known what to look for in altered Klingons by the time McCoy ran into Darvin. Likely thanks to the information gathered from Tyler.
     
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  4. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    the answer to that very difficult riddle is: Passage of time!
    Voq turned into Ash -> The Federation doesn't find out -> The Federation finds out -> The Federation now has data about that process - The Federation uses that data about a decade later on Darvin

    I really don't see the problem here
     
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  5. LJones41

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    If Darvin was able to survive to the 24th century, then I believe that Ash has a good chance of doing the same.
     
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  6. Yistaan

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    If Tyler does join Section 31 in Discovery, then it's possible he is the head of the agency as of DS9 (Sloan reported to him perhaps) and is still heading it as of the Picard show.
     
  7. Kor

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    In Trials and Tribble-ations, it's stated that Darvin's appearance was altered, and surgical means were implied.

    WORF: His real name is Arne Darvin. He is a Klingon altered to look human.
    DAX: His surgeon does nice work.
    (transcription source: chakoteya.net)

    Kor
     
  8. Lord Garth

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    At this point, I'd prefer not to see Tyler in the Picard Show. If we did, then we'd know his fate. I'd rather we don't know what happens to any of the Discovery crew yet. Obviously except for Pike. If he survives Discovery and/or the Section 31 spin-off and we know what happens to him when those are over, then afterwards I don't care about whatever he appears in that's set during the 25th Century.
     
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  10. Yistaan

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    That probably won't stop the showrunners considering Discovery's biggest selling point this season (to the point they are being comically and unnecessarily mysterious about his character) is a certain half-Vulcan who we very much know a lot about what will happen in his future.
     
  11. Timo

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    I'd go for diversity. Surgical altering of one's looks can be skin deep or bones deep; squeezing your agent into a secret starship run by a paranoid skipper in wartime to steal state secrets ASAP might call for the latter, while inserting an operative into a civilian administration position in peacetime for potential later use in inconveniencing a farming operation would warrant only the former.

    Humans won't live into the late 24th century if born in the early 23rd - 140 years is still considered exceptionally good going in DS9. But with the usual bit of medical help, they'd certainly be likely to see the early 24th, even if they were war invalids with a few Klingon bits inside.

    What bits, we don't know exactly. Supposedly, major chunks of Tyler were used for camouflaging Voq's body, but some of the latter is still in there. How is the fundamental difference in biochemistry hidden from medical checks? By cleverly coating it with thick enough layer of Tyler flesh? Or by altering it wholesale, as we see done in the 24th century sometimes willy-nilly? Whatever works, works - ultimately, Culber was able to work it out anyway.

    The big question I guess is, whose brain is it? How do the Mo'Kai hide a Klingon brain in a human skull? Or, conversely, how do they put Voq in a human brain without this being a sneaky "personality engram hidden beneath" but the "intact original personality" "overlaid" with human smoke and mirrors instead?

    If a Klingon brain lives for several centuries unless slain, and Voq's was only moderately slain in the process, I guess Voq could live to be as old as a Da'har Master or Thought Admiral quite regardless of the shape of the jar in which his brain is pickled.

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  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    Trek can't even decide on human lifespans in the future.

    I would imagine a weird hybrid created like Tyvok was to have a shorter life, like most transplant recipients. But, sci-fi magic etc etc... if they have a story for it, he'll show up in Picard.
     
  13. Timo

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    How so? All seventy- or eighty-somethings reel against the idea that they should be removed from the working pool; only a special non-geriatric ailment forces them out in the 24th century. But McCoy's 137 years is considered noteworthy by an objective observer, and O'Brien's desire to live that long is in line with the idea that this doesn't happen to the average Jo(s)e. So people live longer, and get old later, but the latter is the greater change.

    Midlife crisis still comes at thirty or so, only it's not referred to as such. And longer lifespans really shouldn't affect that much, because it's a function of the years behind you, not of the ones ahead.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    He's working for Section: Deus Ex Machina - he will live forever.
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    30? For me it was 25. My first full year out of college, except I called it a "Quarter-Life Crisis". 30 was just kind of another year.

    A "Midlife Crisis" is what I'd think of as 40... Uh-oh. Shit. Wait a minute. Hold on a second... A "Midlife Crisis" is what I'd think of as 50. Okay, that's more like it. That's better. :p
     
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    I have a MidWeek Crisis - usually on the day before payday.
     
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    Wow, now I feel a bit ashamed for being anxious about turning 30 this November. But I guess as long as I don't wake up on a completely empty Deep Space Nine, I'm good.
     
  20. RandyS

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    Oh man, I hope not. If that's true, next year will be really shitty for me.
     
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