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Would TNG Have Worked Without Picard?

No, they can 86 Troi. I'll take Ro Laren, an ensign with an earring and an attitude.

Okay, I'm officially on board with this lineup. Geordi and Ro up front, Riker, Data and Pulaski in the middle, Worf in back, and O'Brien down below. Nice core seven. I like it. Lol.

Picard can be an stuffy Ambassador or Admiral, and Beverly can be his caretaker. Be the trope! lmao. Troi can show up once a year to bother Riker. ahahah.
 
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It almost did kill the show. S1 is regarded by most commentators as the weakest.
I feel like many of these "commentators" are parroting what they've heard some say who actually watched the first season. There's a lot of good episodes and ideas in season one, and Picard was a lot more interesting in seasons one and two than he ever was after. Same goes for Riker and Geordi.
I know that I would have liked it a lot better, and probably revisited a lot more often. Even as a kid, I kind of wished for that. They would have kept Shelby on to be his first officer, I'm sure; not sure Data would have gotten the promotion, and possibly because he is an android. My dream TNG would have been a mix of stuff; O'Brien getting the 2nd season Chief Engineer spot; keeping Pulaski for the entire run; Keeping Geordi on the bridge, less of a prick and less awkward. Give me Riker, Shelby, Data, Geordi, Worf, Pulaski and O'Brien as the cast and I'm a happy fucking camper lol.
YES! A crew made of up characters with fully-developed personalities and even some conflicts. Of course, Berman and Piller would never have allowed it, always saying they were "defending Gene's vision" despite the fact that there was tension among the bridge crew during the first two seasons when Gene was still around.
 
Okay, I'm officially on board with this lineup. Geordi and Ro up front, Riker, Data and Pulaski in the middle, Worf in back, and O'Brien down below. Nice core seven. I like it. Lol.

Picard can be an stuffy Ambassador or Admiral, and Beverly can be his caretaker. Be the trope! lmao. Troi can show up once a year to bother Riker. ahahah.
This aligns with my dream scenario after BoBTW: Picard leaving the Enterprise also means Crusher and Troi go, too. Adding a new CMO and counselor and rearranging the existing characters would have been a breath of fresh air for the show. If Muldaur didn't want to return, promote Suzie Plaskon to the cast by making Dr. Selar the CMO. A female Vulcan would have added a lot of possibilities, especially with Riker and Data.
 
The more time goes on the more I would have liked it better if Riker took over after Best of Both Worlds. Picard, either from PTSD and/or distrust of Star Fleet (especially after the bug infestation thing) should have never been able to really trust him and the whispers he hears in First Contact (let alone Picard) only reinforce that.

Much like the Yar death and Crusher transfer for Season 2, should have been the beginning of a more realistic rotation of the main cast as some get promoted to positions on other ships or stations, some retire to private civilian life, a few rare ones get KIA or kicked out for misconduct (ala Paris/Locarno).

Stewart and/or McFadden returning periodically in cameos and/or guest star episodes could have been interesting.
 
Picard can go be an Ambassador with mental issues after his Borg encounter, and Beverly can go be his caretaker. Be the trope! lmao.
I feel like many of these "commentators" are parroting what they've heard some say who actually watched the first season. There's a lot of good episodes and ideas in season one, and Picard was a lot more interesting in seasons one and two than he ever was after. Same goes for Riker and Geordi.

YES! A crew made of up characters with fully-developed personalities and even some conflicts. Of course, Berman and Piller would never have allowed it, always saying they were "defending Gene's vision" despite the fact that there was tension among the bridge crew during the first two seasons when Gene was still around.

S1 is probably my favorite season, or the first 2, ironically the two "hated" seasons. I like everyone better in their original incarnations, and the music and camera angles are just so much better. I'm in it for sci fi plots, so S1 is fantastic to me, before it turns into character drama and moralizing. It wears its TOS DNA proudly, and thats what I am there for. I tried my first rewatch since first run, and made it to BobW pretty easily, and then quickly got to episodes that were hard for me to slog through, or episode descriptions where i was instantly like, yeah, I don't want to watch that one, I remember that. No thanks. I truly do not get the whole idea that mid-run is where it "finds its feet" and "becomes great" because to me thats when it becomes formulaic and boring. Season 1 has so many interesting ideas, aliens, background crew members and creativity IMO. Pulaski is my favorite Dr, although Selar getting a promotion has SO much potential - a Vulcan trying to balance logic, gut feeling and patient concern/bedside manner as a Doctor. Anything would be better than Beverly. Lol.
 
It almost did kill the show. S1 is regarded by most commentators as the weakest.

It did try to replicate the feel of TOS, true. Not perfectly, certainly, and throwing 'memberberries such as TOS props and models in various rooms was ridiculous to the level of pomposity. Right down to some episodes having "The Theiss Theory". All that did was remind people of TOS, at best.

TNG1 did showcase societies on a macro level than on an internalizing/visceral level as well, and that was TOS's bread'n'butter, though but TOS and TNG did both types of storytelling.

That said, even in season 1 there were episodes that were showing the proverbial feelers and doing different things and strategies that could or would not have been done in TOS.

IMHO, after rewatching seasons 5-7 of TNG in reruns, there's a lot of season 1 that arguably holds up better - partly due for being experimental with the show finding itself. I remember a friend whose brother had walked in and he'd noted the same thing, which was cool.

I think that if Stewart had bowed out at the end of S3, leaving Riker on charge... by then, I think the show had enough goodwill to survive. As long as one, Jean Luc got a proper heroic exit, and two, they chose the right replacement. I personally found Shelby seriously irritating, but I think I'm in the minority there.

Seconded. It would have been a cultureshock, but the framework was there and Shelby would go down the same route Riker had. Though finding ways to get Riker down to planets would become more contrived, because the makers of TNG did not want to repeat the TOS trope of having the captain and first officer both beaming down to explore planets - Captain is supposed to stay on the bridge and the first officer gets to go down and report back. Which makes more sense, though they still place the bridge as an easy pickin's target that, in any episode of where an enemy attacks, that's where they should be aiming if they're actually serious. Then again, Romulan ships, Klingon ships, Cardassian space stations, et al, all have the bridge in easy pickin's areas, too... (Ronald D Moore got it right with the BSG reboot, keep the bridge in the most protected part of the ship!) Fun fact: "Cardassian" as perceived in my browser's spellchecker is corrected as "Circassian" or "Cardician".

As to how it would have managed with Riker running the show from the start? I don't know. It was foundering through most of its first season, so even being slightly weaker might have pushed it over the edge.

It'd not be any better. And, yeah, season 1's weaker episodes could be pretty bad. Heck, even TOS needed two pilots but then found its feet, even if critics of the time gave some episodes a pass for being "generic", "monster show", etc. TNG was in the right place at the right time as no other majorly successful sci-fi show was airing, and direct-to-syndication had some leeway that network-produced shows have.
 
YES! A crew made of up characters with fully-developed personalities and even some conflicts. Of course, Berman and Piller would never have allowed it, always saying they were "defending Gene's vision" despite the fact that there was tension among the bridge crew during the first two seasons when Gene was still around.

Barely any, less than was on later spinoffs Berman and Piller created.

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I truly do not get the whole idea that mid-run is where it "finds its feet" and "becomes great" because to me thats when it becomes formulaic and boring. Season 1 has so many interesting ideas, aliens, background crew members and creativity IMO.

I think it got maybe just a little too comfortable in Season 5 and then a bit outright tired the last 2 seasons, especially the last season, although with also having some really weird episodes, but think it still mostly remained very creative, pretty fresh through Season 6, generally quite far from formulaic. I think the big improvement from the first/first two seasons was toning down Data, Troi, Wesley and I guess kind of/probably also Riker.

Pulaski is my favorite Dr, although Selar getting a promotion has SO much potential - a Vulcan trying to balance logic, gut feeling and patient concern/bedside manner as a Doctor. Anything would be better than Beverly. Lol.

It's hard to really tell but I think most people would not remain interested in Pulaski or Selar if they had remained for so long, they would become/be regarded as quite like Beverly Crusher, I don't think conflict or just general sparks is particularly better and does feel pretty unlikely with the general setting and crew dynamic.
 
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TNG might have made the seven seasons without Sir Patrick, but I don't think it'd be as good.

He's just that good of an actor, he really is head and shoulders above the rest of the cast. Imagine Frakes trying to pull off The Inner Light or Chain of Command. There is a reason why only Stewart managed to have such a successful career post TNG.

That said, maybe another actor of similar stature could have been found. Richard Dean Anderson would of totally changes the dynamic.
 
Adding a new CMO and counselor and rearranging the existing characters would have been a breath of fresh air for the show

At the start of season 4?

Season 4 and 5 are frequently put as the best rated seasons, having found its feet in season 3.

Now if you wanted a shake-up around the middle of season 6, sure (but not with Jellico)
 
He's just that good of an actor, he really is head and shoulders above the rest of the cast. Imagine Frakes trying to pull off The Inner Light or Chain of Command. There is a reason why only Stewart managed to have such a successful career post TNG.
Jonathan Frakes and the 100+ episodes of television (and several movies) that he's directed would like a word.
 
He's just that good of an actor, he really is head and shoulders above the rest of the cast. Imagine Frakes trying to pull off The Inner Light or Chain of Command. There is a reason why only Stewart managed to have such a successful career post TNG.
I'm not sure whether this is a fair concern, since if Frakes was headlining TNG then, if those episodes were made at all, there would surely be changes to the scripts to accommodate the fact that it was Captain Riker and not Captain Picard. Or they might not have been made at all.
 
Imagine Frakes trying to pull off Chain of Command.
"Computer, dim however the hell many lights there are."
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That's an amazing Idea. She's his ex from the Academy, who isn't over him. Barclay has a thing for her, but she doesn't even know he exists.

Might be even funnier to give her the whole line up of wannabe royalty titles, and keep it as a fling from when he was stationed on Betazed. 😂
 
It did try to replicate the feel of TOS, true. Not perfectly, certainly, and throwing 'memberberries such as TOS props and models in various rooms was ridiculous to the level of pomposity. Right down to some episodes having "The Theiss Theory". All that did was remind people of TOS, at best.

TNG1 did showcase societies on a macro level than on an internalizing/visceral level as well, and that was TOS's bread'n'butter,
though but TOS and TNG did both types of storytelling.

That said, even in season 1 there were episodes that were showing the proverbial feelers and doing different things and strategies that could or would not have been done in TOS.

IMHO, after rewatching seasons 5-7 of TNG in reruns, there's a lot of season 1 that arguably holds up better - partly due for being experimental with the show finding itself. I remember a friend whose brother had walked in and he'd noted the same thing, which was cool.

To some of us, that would have been a feature, not a bug..... we WANTED more TOS. Although, at the time, we just wanted more Star Trek. They were synonymous.

Whatever you want to call it, at least the early TNG seasons were sci fi plot based, like TOS - not so much the character driven moralizing that it later became. I just can't sludge through the later seasons. They just aren't fun. Early TNG still had that TOS fun factor. Comedic bits. Sci fi weirdness. Action adventure. I tried to rewatch after Picard S03's memberberries gave me some TNG nostalgia, and I thoroughly enjoyed the first few seasons, but just gave up some time mid Season 4. Season 1 was like a breath of fresh air compared to the later stuff, when its usually seen as the opposite. I never really saw the "stuffy, still finding themselves" flaws of S1. Picard was exactly who he was supposed to be, to play off the rest of the crew, especially Riker/Kirk/Decker.
 
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