Would "Star Trek: The Return" have made for a good film?

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I read this when it was published. It isn't very good.

Kirk is returning, in his prime, in the next "Star Trek" movie. There's no need to resurrect him in the 24th century.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

And of course the idea of the machine planet being the Borg homeworld falls down once you think about it at all. The planet Voyager VI arrived at was a planet populated by "living machines." The Borg are not "living machines," they are cybernetically enhanced humanoids. The only thing more ridiculous is the fan theory that V'Ger created the Borg...

How the hell could Spock have known that Borg were that? He had no knowledge of the Borg, and doubtlessly that he retained the memory as it is. For all he knew, they could've been living machines, to him. I mean, thats what I thought when I watched "Q Who" for the first time.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

And of course the idea of the machine planet being the Borg homeworld falls down once you think about it at all. The planet Voyager VI arrived at was a planet populated by "living machines." The Borg are not "living machines," they are cybernetically enhanced humanoids. The only thing more ridiculous is the fan theory that V'Ger created the Borg...

How the hell could Spock have known that Borg were that? He had no knowledge of the Borg, and doubtlessly that he retained the memory as it is. For all he knew, they could've been living machines, to him. I mean, thats what I thought when I watched "Q Who" for the first time.

Spock wasn't talking about the Borg, he was describing what he saw in V'Ger's imaging chamber, which was a planet of living machines. Had he seen a planet of cyborgs I imagine he would have said so. You may not be able to tell the difference, but I'd be willing to bet Spock does. And I for one never thought them to be anything other than cyborgs, hence the name "Borg." And its not a matter of his misremembering what he saw, since in TMP he was describing it as he saw it.

 

[Maurice]

Also, V'ger didn't consider carbon units to be life forms, which would be kind of an odd thing for a borg-relative to think.

This has been discussed elsewhere, but V'ger's technology was way beyond that of the Borg. I mean, if the Borg could built THAT, why bother with the cubes?

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Well...it was Roddenberry's theory that the machine planet was the Borg Homeworld...

 

[Sector 7]

Nah. Kirk died. Leave him buried on Veridian 3.

He's dead. Thank God and leave it at that.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Nah. Kirk died. Leave him buried on Veridian 3.

He's dead. Thank God and leave it at that.

Thank God? Are you daft, man?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nah. Kirk died. Leave him buried on Veridian 3.

He's dead. Thank God and leave it at that.

Thank God? Are you daft, man?

I'm with him - no one needs Kirk waddling around the bridge of some ship in his adult diapers. I'm looking forward to seeing him young again, in the next "Star Trek" movie, and Old Kirk would do nothing but distract from that.

 

[Emperor-Tiberius]

I guess everyone just ignored the first post completely, and just went out to flank my thread. How nice. How mature.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Well...it was Roddenberry's theory that the machine planet was the Borg Homeworld...

The only problem with that is some folks tend to take anything Roddenberry said as gospel. Offhand remarks and jokes get reinterpreted as holy writ.

I guess everyone just ignored the first post completely, and just went out to flank my thread. How nice. How mature.

Where did your thread get flanked?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

I guess everyone just ignored the first post completely, and just went out to flank my thread.

Just about everyone has addressed your first post pretty directly.

 

[SiorX]

I'd have put up with quite a lot of the fanwanking in The Return for the sake of the chance to see Crusher in full combat gear and uttering actual lines.

The Return is silly in places, and occasionally sets the Next Gen crew up as ridiculous strawmen to the TOS heros, which would definitely need to be sorted out before making it a TNG film (I don't mean it should be inverted, just more balanced. Despite what Nem and Ins indicate, it should not be the aim of your movie to insult it's core viewer demographic ).

But I agree that it's got an epic scope to it, and it's got some great pacing and action. It's one of only a handful of Trek books I've reread several times. Whatever else, it's fun.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Riker's line on DS9... "Helluva right cross for a holy man," would have to be in there...

 

[Mr. Fergy]

That's like saying because three of the four TNG films were elephant shit, that donkey shit would be an improvement.

But it's still shit!

Agreed.

By the way: I don't think the return would make a good Movie.

 

[Wonderlust King]

i really thought generations was awkward when the captains met up. The killing off of kirk was completely unnecessary and he did not exactly go out in a blaze of glory, he just kind of fell. but the concept of this movie sounds interesting to me, although im not sure if the older fatter shatner would make a very scary borg.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

He doesn't turn into a Borg...

 

[cardinal biggles]

Yeah, IIRC, the Romulans use Borg nanoprobes to bring Kirk back from the dead.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

That's right...and the nanoprobes are designed to kill him.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Such a shame they didn't succeed... the "Shatnerverse" could have stopped while it was (sort of) ahead.

 

[Gepard]

He's dead. Thank God and leave it at that.

Thank God? Are you daft, man?

I'm with him - no one needs Kirk waddling around the bridge of some ship in his adult diapers. I'm looking forward to seeing him young again, in the next "Star Trek" movie, and Old Kirk would do nothing but distract from that.

Hey, you'd better ease off the Shatnerhate! You want Sam to show up?