Would "Ethics" Work If It's Pulaski?

[Farscape One]

I think you're over simplifying. Because Riker admits he just tried to avoid personal pronouns entirely so was skirting the issue. Finally he struggles with it so much that he he asks Soran should he use "it".

Now you could argue that Riker is more tactful, as he asked Soran if they could be referred to as it. But it was the elephant on the room for him.

Pulaski should have perhaps asked, but her natural assumption was computers don't have genders. And there was nothing else in Starfleet that she'd have ever met for this to be an issue. She - like Riker's instinct was - was to reach for "it".

I mean do you use AI? Did you, the first time you used it, ask its pronoun preferences? I think people assign bad intent to Pulaski as they the viewer have seen Data and identify with him as a he.

Riker also didn't do his homework remember... he was assigned to COMMAND Data and didn't know his rank was earned properly.

The funny thing is that it was just literally once... she never deliberately mis-gendered him and once she knew he was assigned a gender she went with it. But of course with TV that will be there forever more watched again and again...

And I have already said, more than once, that she did do it just the one time and she stopped after she was corrected. But it still happened.

My entire point, as I stated multiple times, was that she grew as a character and learned to respect Data as a person, and became an actual advocate for his opinions later on.

 

[SatrianiRules]

I think Pulaski would have been more open to Klingon tradition. She might have spoken with Worf about continuing as a para for the sake of Alexander, but she was culturally sensitive enough to respect Worf's decision to end it if that was his final decision...

and I think Pulaski would have ripped her a new one about throwing Worf a potentially futile lifeline at an inappropriate moment.

 

[Farscape One]

I think Pulaski would have been more open to Klingon tradition. She might have spoken with Worf about continuing as a para for the sake of Alexander, but she was culturally sensitive enough to respect Worf's decision to end it if that was his final decision...

and I think Pulaski would have ripped her a new one about throwing Worf a potentially futile lifeline at an inappropriate moment.

Pulaski definitely would have been more respectful of Worf's decision. She had at least some knowledge of their culture, as evidenced by her knowing about the tea ceremony in "Up The Long Ladder". (That episode was pretty bad, but the scenes with her and Worf were definitely good ones.)

I also think Pulaski would have Worf both options, because she respects her patients' right to choose. I saw nothing wrong with Russell giving Worf the option after he tried Crusher's and didn't want anything to do with it.

 

[SatrianiRules]

Pulaski definitely would have been more respectful of Worf's decision. She had at least some knowledge of their culture, as evidenced by her knowing about the tea ceremony in "Up The Long Ladder". (That episode was pretty bad, but the scenes with her and Worf were definitely good ones.)

I also think Pulaski would have Worf both options, because she respects her patients' right to choose. I saw nothing wrong with Russell giving Worf the option after he tried Crusher's and didn't want anything to do with it.

it was the timing of the offer, when he was at his most vulnerable. The ethical thing to do would have been to meet with Beverly in private, discuss the case, the prognosis, and then suggest treatment and present it to Worf with the complete understanding that there was an 80% he would not survive....but what we got instead was Worf anrgy, upset, devastated, and vulnerable...Russell swept in at his most vulnerable and suggested a panacea, any patient would grasp at that...

at that point there HAD to be dissent from Beverly for the sake of the story....so they had to paint Russell as a self serving opportunist and foil to Beverly. Ironically enough, it was Picard that was the catalyst.

 

[Farscape One]

it was the timing of the offer, when he was at his most vulnerable. The ethical thing to do would have been to meet with Beverly in private, discuss the case, the prognosis, and then suggest treatment and present it to Worf with the complete understanding that there was an 80% he would not survive....but what we got instead was Worf anrgy, upset, devastated, and vulnerable...Russell swept in at his most vulnerable and suggested a panacea, any patient would grasp at that...

at that point there HAD to be dissent from Beverly for the sake of the story....so they had to paint Russell as a self serving opportunist and foil to Beverly. Ironically enough, it was Picard that was the catalyst.

Beverly and Russell did talk about it before they went to Worf, and Crusher dismissed Russell entirely and Crusher gave only her option to Worf.


Let me ask you this: at what point would it have been acceptable to present Russell's option? After one more attempt by Crusher? Two? Five? 20? More? All the while making Worf feel worse and worse and forcing him to consider an option he didn't want to begin with.

And with Crusher making it very clear she was not going to allow him to commit suicide, at what point does Crusher finally present the options?


"Ethics" is a very good episode, but it also encompasses all the things I dislike about Crusher and why she's my least favorite CMO in the franchise.

 

[SatrianiRules]

So I would say , what I've said all the while. They discuss it behind closed doors, and Picard plays the role of mediator between the two who (correctly) sides with Russell..again it's not the treatment that is in question.

it's the method. she (Russell) side stepped the CMO (might even say undermined),

you just don't do that. You meet in private with concerned parties (in this case Picard) and discuss, and then Picard becomes the voice of reason who says "Ultimately, it's Worf's decision", and then she (Beverly) has to put aside her personal feelings and accept it.

essentially this is what happened as it WAS Picard that had to convince her to put aside her personal feelings.

 

[Farscape One]

So I would say , what I've said all the while. They discuss it behind closed doors, and Picard plays the role of mediator between the two who (correctly) sides with Russell..again it's not the treatment that is in question.

it's the method. she (Russell) side stepped the CMO (might even say undermined),

you just don't do that. You meet in private with concerned parties (in this case Picard) and discuss, and then Picard becomes the voice of reason who says "Ultimately, it's Worf's decision", and then she (Beverly) has to put aside her personal feelings and accept it.

essentially this is what happened as it WAS Picard that had to convince her to put aside her personal feelings.

That scenario still paints Beverly in the wrong, which she absolutely was from start to finish. She was still about forcing her values and treatments on her patient without consideration of what he actually wanted.

 

[Oddish]

That scenario still paints Beverly in the wrong, which she absolutely was from start to finish. She was still about forcing her values and treatments on her patient without consideration of what he actually wanted.

Back when the episode was made, it was a little more complicated than that.

 

[Ragitsu]

Russell knew what she was doing; even temporarily, she shifted consideration for the patient to a subordinate position, in order to further her ambition.

 

[SatrianiRules]

That scenario still paints Beverly in the wrong, which she absolutely was from start to finish. She was still about forcing her values and treatments on her patient without consideration of what he actually wanted.

and that happens today, Catholic based hospitals, for example, where staff are not permitted to discuss birth control or termination with patients...

 

[Farscape One]

and that happens today, Catholic based hospitals, for example, where staff are not permitted to discuss birth control or termination with patients...

Yes, that's another example of what I'm talking about with Crusher, in that case a real world one.