I say . . . I don't know. I don't any of us can answer this question with any real knowledge, except for George Lucas.
Would Anakin be able to defeat Sidious?
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I say . . . I don't know. I don't any of us can answer this question with any real knowledge, except for George Lucas.
Palpatine believed that one day, Lord Vader would be able to be more powerful that either himself or Yoda. So even the Sith Master did think that one day Anakin would defeat Sidious. The trouble for the Jedi was that in ROTS, it was not yet that time. Arrogant Anakin was powerful. Perhap the most powerful Jedi, and more so once he was tapping into the Dark Side. His problem was that he was overconfident, and in the end, the he was lead to a place of Obi-wan's choosing, for the final blow. Anakin and Obi-wan are about equally matched, but only because Obi-wan has practiced his defensive skills so much that he is THE Master of Defensive lightsaber combat. Even Master Windu acknowledges Obi-wan's mastery of this skill, and why they think Obi-wan should be the one to take on General Grievous. His defenses in a duel are basically impenetrable. Only Force powers can overwhelm him (as Dooku did), and against say , Sidious, Obi-wan would be outmatched by the Force powers. But with Anakin....Obi-wan knows how Anakin fights, so he can match him move for move for the entire battle. It isn't that Obi-wan is stronger, just skilled in just the right areas to eventually defeat Vader.
It is possible, that decades later, Obi-wan could have keep Darth Vader in a perpetual stalemate on the Death Star, but Vader was far more careful, so he wouldn't overextend himself to allow the old man to take him out like before. But what Obi-wan did at the end perplexed Vader, but used it anyway....just as Obi-wan planned.
It is possible, that decades later, Obi-wan could have keep Darth Vader in a perpetual stalemate on the Death Star, but Vader was far more careful, so he wouldn't overextend himself to allow the old man to take him out like before. But what Obi-wan did at the end perplexed Vader, but used it anyway....just as Obi-wan planned.
When was the mature period coming? He was older and more experienced in ROTS, yet he still ranted when he did not get the "respect" he thought he deserved (for whatever reason), based his trust in Palpatine solely on the older man ego-stroking him for 13 years, and pissed off at the Jedi for having the sense to not crown him King of Everything Jedi--and for good reason. He was so psychologically underdeveloped that he instantly believed Padme brought Obi-Wan to Mustafar to kill him, when he has been painted in trusting no one more than Padme. Yet, with little provocation, he's accusing then choking her. I will not get into his jealousy of Kenobi, but the way Anakin was going, maturity was something only changing his physical side, instead of his mind.
Anakin was only 23 at the times of ROTS.
Maybe If he raised his kids and become more responsable he could have defeated Sidious in his 30s.
And I am talking about Anakin if stayed in the lightside and didn't turn to the darkside, like after the betrayal and dead of Windu.
Maybe If he raised his kids and become more responsable he could have defeated Sidious in his 30s.
And I am talking about Anakin if stayed in the lightside and didn't turn to the darkside, like after the betrayal and dead of Windu.
I think, if Anakin had the right master, and followed the Jedi way, which Lucas asserts is the correct view of the Force, and not the dogma, he would have been able to defeat Sidious.
Does Anakin really have to follow the Jedi way in order to defeat Sidious? Why can't the right master teach him how to follow the Force in a way that suits him?
Anakin was 22 years old in "ROTS". Did you honestly believe he would have been fully mature at that age? Yoda was over 800 years old around the same time, yet he was not as mature as he - and everyone else - thought he was.
Being a parent does not automatically make any person mature.
I get the feeling that the idea is if Anakin had been the "ideal Jedi" that Obi-Wan wanted him to be, he would have easily defeated Palpatine. And yet, I don't recall any "ideal Jedi" among the cast of characters.
The Jedi, according to Lucas, have the correct view of the Force, so there are some aspects that I would think he would need to integrate.
I agree that the right master would be necessary, and I don't think Obi-Wan was that master.
I said that wrong, If he grew older and raise the kids with Padme he would be more mature.
But I think mostly like what I said in the "Was Obi Wan a bad teacher/mentor?" tread
"Well I think that Jinn would be a father figure that Anakin needed and respected more than Kenobi.
So I think that Jinn would be a great teacher for Anakin because they are both different Jedi".
And with Jinn as a father figure he wouldn't needed Palpatine
He did defeat him in the end. He tossed him down that hole.
I'm pretty sure that with proper training and focus he could have as a young man. But he was arrogant and pretty sure of himself, which was his downfall with Obi-Wan. It's probably a fault with a lot of young men, but most don't have insane powers.
I'm pretty sure that with proper training and focus he could have as a young man. But he was arrogant and pretty sure of himself, which was his downfall with Obi-Wan. It's probably a fault with a lot of young men, but most don't have insane powers.
he eventually would have surpassed sidious if obi wan hadnt chopped off his limbs and turned him in to the sith lieutenant Dan.
Isn't the point of the Force that you don't need no stinkin' limbs? You can lift X-wings out of swamps and bring down the ceilings of caves, but self-mobility is out of the question?
No where did I argue that the Jedi were incapable of making mistakes.
In ROTS, not a chance...
Anakin was powerful especially compared to 3 years prior in ATOC but Palpatine/Sidious were levels beyond him. There was clear potential and it would seem at the time Palps seriously believed he would become more powerful than himself or Yoda and states that view during his encounter with Master Yoda in the Senate Chamber. Anakin was unable to overcome Obi Wan despite tapping into the Dark Side and eventually loss because he was too impulsive and arrogant. Palpatine would of easily overpowered the young Knight one would imagine.
Windu was the most powerful with a Lightsabre and Yoda was the most powerful with the force and neither killed Sidious. Anakin with more time and experience behind his belt probably would of been a match though as The Master from Buffy says "prophecies are tricky creatures"
Anakin was powerful especially compared to 3 years prior in ATOC but Palpatine/Sidious were levels beyond him. There was clear potential and it would seem at the time Palps seriously believed he would become more powerful than himself or Yoda and states that view during his encounter with Master Yoda in the Senate Chamber. Anakin was unable to overcome Obi Wan despite tapping into the Dark Side and eventually loss because he was too impulsive and arrogant. Palpatine would of easily overpowered the young Knight one would imagine.
Windu was the most powerful with a Lightsabre and Yoda was the most powerful with the force and neither killed Sidious. Anakin with more time and experience behind his belt probably would of been a match though as The Master from Buffy says "prophecies are tricky creatures"
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Yeah, but Anakin was pretty fucked up by the end of ROTS, so probably not as able to get up to the Emperor's level anymore.
And yet, Sidious was not able to kill either on his own. He couldn't defeat Yoda and he was only able to kill Windu with Anakin's help.
As for whether Anakin could have defeated Sidious . . . well, according to LucasFilm, he was among the only three who had the potential to do so, along with Yoda and Windu.
Obi-Wan was able to defeat Anakin because the latter's emotions were out of control and he was familiar with the latter's skills during that duel. If Obi-Wan had fought against a more controlled Anakin like Dooku did, well . . . I don't know.
Vader--as I pictured him as a youth before learning he was Anakin--weas something like Colm Feore's character Lord Marshal Zhylaw inThe Chronicles of Riddick
Had Anakin defeated Obi Wan and not been forced into the suit, I have no doubt that Palpatine may well have suffered a tragic lightsabre-involved shaving accident by the time of A New Hope. I believe the lore has stated that Palpatine specifically ensured that the suit would allow Vader free rein to deal with enemies, but give him an edge should he attempt to move against him.
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