Worst examples of jobbing?

[JoeZhang]

I also don't know what comics you're reading

Pretty much every Wolverine comic ever published.

but Wolverine makes mince-meat out of "normal" humans.

Which isn't actually relevant to the question, it's about possible impacts, not that he's a better fighter.

Also, there is some flesh and muscle between the metal and skin, so punching him in the gut for example isn't going to result in a broken hand.

Right but there are plenty of examples of people punching or kicking him in the face - Punching normal people in the face results in a broken hand which is why boxers wear gloves - with the right technique, it's fairly easy to break someone's cheekbone but here all you'd done is break your hand and it's rarely shown.

 

[Python Trek]

I dunno, that seems like instant defeat for Namor. Aquaman controls sea life. Namor is sea life. Aquaman can order Namor to walk repeatedly into a wall or the undersea equivalent thereof.

Even taking away the telepathy, Aquaman always seemed to me a rough equal for Namor, except Namor has the advantage of goofy flight, and is probably a better, dirtier fighter, but modern Aquaman is pretty mean, too. I'd really only give Namor a slight edge in a fair fight.

Anyway, it's not nearly as silly as some hairy Canadian with hard bones and some knives beating a cosmic menace like Lobo. You might as well have Wolverine defeat Thor, or Gladiator (and yet, somehow, I'm actually pretty sure that happened too).

In the story, Namor is knocked out cold after Aquaman makes an orca flop onto Namor's head. It was stupid. Namor's stood up to Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's hammer, Hulk's fists---he's a Superman-class strongman, and a small whale knocks him out? It was just a case of the writer, Peter David, favoring "his" guy, Aquaman, whose book he was writing at the time. Dumb.

 

[Christopher]

^Maybe the orca had a mutant contact-stunning power. After all, why should humans be the only terrestrial species with superpowers?

 

[the G-man]

I dunno, that seems like instant defeat for Namor. Aquaman controls sea life. Namor is sea life. Aquaman can order Namor to walk repeatedly into a wall or the undersea equivalent thereof.

Even taking away the telepathy, Aquaman always seemed to me a rough equal for Namor, except Namor has the advantage of goofy flight, and is probably a better, dirtier fighter, but modern Aquaman is pretty mean, too. I'd really only give Namor a slight edge in a fair fight.

Anyway, it's not nearly as silly as some hairy Canadian with hard bones and some knives beating a cosmic menace like Lobo. You might as well have Wolverine defeat Thor, or Gladiator (and yet, somehow, I'm actually pretty sure that happened too).

In the story, Namor is knocked out cold after Aquaman makes an orca flop onto Namor's head. It was stupid. Namor's stood up to Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's hammer, Hulk's fists---he's a Superman-class strongman, and a small whale knocks him out? It was just a case of the writer, Peter David, favoring "his" guy, Aquaman, whose book he was writing at the time. Dumb.

I've never seen Namor as Superman class in terms of strength at all. At best, the Thing.

The bottom line is that both Namor and Aquaman's power levels have wildly fluctuated over the years and, personally, I always assumed they were more or less evenly matched.

 

[Yevetha]

Neelix geting laid with a klingon chick.

He would be unable to survive it.

 

[Captaindemotion]

Neelix? Do you mean Quark?

 

[Kelthaz]

No, he means Neelix. Voyager runs into a generational Klingon ship in the seventh season and there's a female Klingon who takes an interest in Neelix.

 

[Unicron]

While the Marvel incarnation of Buzzsaw in Transformers wasn't a jobber per se, there was one issue where he appeared to be fighting Omega Supreme alone... and actually winning. For those unfamiliar with Transformers, Buzzsaw is a small character who turns into a micro-cassette for espionage and such. Omega turns into an entire defense base with a tracked tank and a rocket. He's bigger than most other characters in the series, except for other equally large characters.

 

[Yevetha]

No, he means Neelix. Voyager runs into a generational Klingon ship in the seventh season and there's a female Klingon who takes an interest in Neelix.

He shows strength by yelling at Harry Kim of all people.

I mean seriously what could be more pathetic.

 

[Gov Kodos]

No, he means Neelix. Voyager runs into a generational Klingon ship in the seventh season and there's a female Klingon who takes an interest in Neelix.

He shows strength by yelling at Harry Kim of all people.

I mean seriously what could be more pathetic.

Since she was pursuing Harry, the yelling showed Harry's weakness by backing down. And it was Harry who wanted to get rid of her, this was Neelix's answer. Not really jobbing at all, except as the theater it is.

 

[Python Trek]

I dunno, that seems like instant defeat for Namor. Aquaman controls sea life. Namor is sea life. Aquaman can order Namor to walk repeatedly into a wall or the undersea equivalent thereof.

Even taking away the telepathy, Aquaman always seemed to me a rough equal for Namor, except Namor has the advantage of goofy flight, and is probably a better, dirtier fighter, but modern Aquaman is pretty mean, too. I'd really only give Namor a slight edge in a fair fight.

Anyway, it's not nearly as silly as some hairy Canadian with hard bones and some knives beating a cosmic menace like Lobo. You might as well have Wolverine defeat Thor, or Gladiator (and yet, somehow, I'm actually pretty sure that happened too).

In the story, Namor is knocked out cold after Aquaman makes an orca flop onto Namor's head. It was stupid. Namor's stood up to Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's hammer, Hulk's fists---he's a Superman-class strongman, and a small whale knocks him out? It was just a case of the writer, Peter David, favoring "his" guy, Aquaman, whose book he was writing at the time. Dumb.

I've never seen Namor as Superman class in terms of strength at all. At best, the Thing.

The bottom line is that both Namor and Aquaman's power levels have wildly fluctuated over the years and, personally, I always assumed they were more or less evenly matched.

When I was a kid, Aquaman (and Wonder Woman, for that matter) was right around the Spider-Man level, strength-wise. Namor has been trading blows with the Hulk and Thor since day one. No way should Namor and Aquaman be considered equally strong. I say this as someone who likes both characters, but they could never have been in the same weight class, until recent ret-cons that have been done on Aquaman, that is.

 

[Avalon]

No one's mentioned Squirrel Girl yet?

Yeah, I know she's just a running gag (and I do think it's funny), but still...

 

[the G-man]

In the story, Namor is knocked out cold after Aquaman makes an orca flop onto Namor's head. It was stupid. Namor's stood up to Iron Man's repulsors, Thor's hammer, Hulk's fists---he's a Superman-class strongman, and a small whale knocks him out? It was just a case of the writer, Peter David, favoring "his" guy, Aquaman, whose book he was writing at the time. Dumb.

I've never seen Namor as Superman class in terms of strength at all. At best, the Thing.

The bottom line is that both Namor and Aquaman's power levels have wildly fluctuated over the years and, personally, I always assumed they were more or less evenly matched.

When I was a kid, Aquaman (and Wonder Woman, for that matter) was right around the Spider-Man level...

Really? I can accept that as far as Aquaman (as I said, his power levels have fluctuated), but Wonder Woman? I always saw her being at lot closer to Superman than Spidey on the strength continuum.

 

[Christopher]

^Oh, definitely. Wonder Woman is supposed to be second only to Superman in strength among DC heroes. But the writers haven't always remembered that.

Officially, on the Marvel Universe's strength rating scale Spider-Man is strength level 4 (superhuman: 800 lbs-25 ton range) and Namor is strength level 6 (superhuman: 75-100 ton range).

 

[the G-man]

Where's the Thing on that list?

 

[Jono]

While the Marvel incarnation of Buzzsaw in Transformers wasn't a jobber per se, there was one issue where he appeared to be fighting Omega Supreme alone... and actually winning. For those unfamiliar with Transformers, Buzzsaw is a small character who turns into a micro-cassette for espionage and such. Omega turns into an entire defense base with a tracked tank and a rocket. He's bigger than most other characters in the series, except for other equally large characters.

Well, Rodimus Prime killed Unicorn with a disco ball and a killer rock anthem...

Actually, I also remember Rumble taking down Devastator by shaking Astrotrain in the movie as well, so those cassettes punch above their weight.

 

[Silvercrest]

Where's the Thing on that list?

I haven't seen the list Christopher refers to, but the old OHOTMU scale had him pressing 85 tons. I would imagine that would put him at strength level 6 on that list.

Jono wrote:
Well, Rodimus Prime killed Unicorn with a disco ball and a killer rock anthem...

Hey, he had the touch!

 

[TheSeeker]

How about when Spider-Man knocked out Firelord? Although I must admit I found it very cool when I read it back in the day.

 

[Christopher]

Where's the Thing on that list?

His Marvel.com Wiki entry puts him on level 6.

 

[the G-man]

I figured. He would be about equal to Namor, if not a little higher. Thanks.