Wonder Woman's Patty Jenkins is Directing a Rogue Squadron Movie

[Mage]

So the executive who thought flushing the characters and narrative legacy of the Original Trilogy down the loo, and the co-writer of the massively misguided Wonder Woman 1984, can't seem to get Top Gun: In Space to take flight, even after Paramount just showed the world what a slam-dunk, can't-lose proposition that is? I wish I could say I was surprised.

Or maybe the Disney brass is secretly so intent on resetting Star Wars' cinematic future without Kennedy that they're holding off on greenlighting any more movies until a successor is appointed? That's an evidence-free guess on my part, but it at least seems plausible.

I think they are just going where the money is at. Streaming is making them money, and they can do a variety of things with it. Same with Trek films. Films involve greater risk right now, and streaming is guaranteeing the company money. Even if people hate what they watch they still subscribe to the service.

Did the ST earn enough money to justify spending a lot of money and advertising on a new movie, considering the negative feedback the ST got?
Star Wars streaming is being received very positively, for the most part, and is a lot easier to produce with the current tech.

 

[fireproof78]

Did the ST earn enough money to justify spending a lot of money and advertising on a new movie, considering the negative feedback the ST got?
Star Wars streaming is being received very positively, for the most part, and is a lot easier to produce with the current tech.

Here's what I see from the outside. One, the ST and Solo didn't perform as well as expected. Solo, in particular, was considered a disappointment in terms of finances, and that led to a massive halting on the film side, beyond wrapping up the ST. Each film had it's own financial debacle, including changing directors, and writers. That all adds up in terms of costs.

In contrast, streaming has allowed multiple styles of storytelling, different directors and writers, expansive use of new technology, and innovation, as well as pretty reliable income. I think it is a lot easier to produce with current tech, I think it is more in line with what Lucas would do, and I think films are going to become events again.

 

[Kor]

I wouldn't mind a series focusing on fighter pilots. Though I tend to lean more toward stuff that centers on Jedi, scoundrels, and/or bounty hunters. I wanted another Solo movie. And while I like Bad Batch, I liked Clone Wars more.

Kor

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't mind a series focusing on fighter pilots. Though I tend to lean more toward stuff that centers on Jedi, scoundrels, and/or bounty hunters. I wanted another Solo movie. And while I like Bad Batch, I liked Clone Wars more.

Kor

I would not mind a Wedge Antilles type story. I enjoy fighters, and for all of Rogue One's deficits, it definitely gave a lot of interesting bits about the starships and fighters of the Rebellion, which I really liked.

 

[Mage]

Here's what I see from the outside. One, the ST and Solo didn't perform as well as expected. Solo, in particular, was considered a disappointment in terms of finances, and that led to a massive halting on the film side, beyond wrapping up the ST. Each film had it's own financial debacle, including changing directors, and writers. That all adds up in terms of costs.

In contrast, streaming has allowed multiple styles of storytelling, different directors and writers, expansive use of new technology, and innovation, as well as pretty reliable income. I think it is a lot easier to produce with current tech, I think it is more in line with what Lucas would do, and I think films are going to become events again.

That's how I see it as well.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Seconded.

 

[Gaith]

Did the ST earn enough money to justify spending a lot of money and advertising on a new movie, considering the negative feedback the ST got?

Are you kidding? Yes, of course it did. I personally think the ST was narratively disastrous, and severely limited the franchise's storytelling options, but it made tons of money, and Rogue One did very well, too. (Solo was just a mistake of a project all around, strategically speaking, even though it's the best of the Disney bunch so far.)

Again, any Lucasfilm chief executive who can't figure out how to make Top Gun: In Space work is, IMHO, very likely not the right person for the job.

 

[Tuskin38]

No one has said the movie was cancelled, just removed from the schedule.

 

[Mage]

Are you kidding? Yes, of course it did. I personally think the ST was narratively disastrous, and severely limited the franchise's storytelling options, but it made tons of money, and Rogue One did very well, too. (Solo was just a mistake of a project all around, strategically speaking, even though it's the best of the Disney bunch so far.)

Again, any Lucasfilm chief executive who can't figure out how to make Top Gun: In Space work is, IMHO, very likely not the right person for the job.

I wasn't kidding. I honestly didn't know the amount it made, offset against the costs of it.

 

[fireproof78]

I wasn't kidding. I honestly didn't know the amount it made, offset against the costs of it.

The costs probably were more due the BTS issues. I see streaming offering more control on the revenue.

 

[Set Harth]

Again, any Lucasfilm chief executive who can't figure out how to make Top Gun: In Space work is, IMHO, very likely not the right person for the job.

I suspect they weren't even thinking about making a "Top Gun In Space". It was probably more along the lines of "She-Hulk In Space".

 

[Tuskin38]

I suspect they weren't even thinking about making a "Top Gun In Space". It was probably more along the lines of "She-Hulk In Space".

Based on what Patty Jenkins has said, she wanted to make a fighter pilot movie.

Also She-Hulk in space would be amazing. That show is the best thing Marvel has put out since Endgame.

 

[kirk55555]

Did the ST earn enough money to justify spending a lot of money and advertising on a new movie, considering the negative feedback the ST got?
Star Wars streaming is being received very positively, for the most part, and is a lot easier to produce with the current tech.

All three sequel trilogy movies made over a billion dollars worldwide, and TFA made over 2 billion. Most people who aren't chronically online seem to have really enjoyed TFA and TLJ (don't let the loud minority on the internet fool you, like it apparently did the Producers, The Last Jedi really doesn't seem to be particularly controversial outside of the internet weirdo crowd), and Rise of Skywalker did fairly well. Rogue One also seems to have been fairly popular, also making over a billion. Solo didn't even break 400 million so it was pretty obviously a failure, but its the lone exception.

If making over a billion dollars in 4 out of 5 movies doesn't make the franchise a success, nothing will. The people who whined about TLJ are no more relevant then the idiots who whine about Captain Marvel, but the Star Wars producers don't seem to have the awareness that Feige does about who to listen to and who to ignore when it comes to a film's reception, and that really screwed with RoS but still didn't keep it from breaking a billion.

If a new SW film came out it would 100% be wanted and probably very successful unless it was just a total failure of a film like Solo. I really can't see SW being constrained to streaming shows forever, and there is no reason for it to be, it can easily support both. They just need to find the right project and the right people, and not freak out part way through because a few loud morons don't like women in prominent roles and like to make a fuss online.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I'm not sure why but I was thinking this was a streaming series project for some reason. I think Covid really messed up how the numbers work so I'm leery of using the box office results of the last couple of years as a definite sign of what people are looking to see in the cinema.

Though given my opinion of WW 1984, avoiding another Xmas release with Patty might not be a bad thing.

 

[Campe]

I can’t believe people are still whining about TLJ. You liked it or you didn’t. It came out five years ago and there is no need to relitigate it again for the fiftieth time.

 

[fireproof78]

If making over a billion dollars in 4 out of 5 movies doesn't make the franchise a success, nothing will.

Depends on how much they had to put in to it in order to make that billion dollars. Again, BTS troubles were present in 3 out 5 of those films, and Solo undeperformed so badly that Disney said pause, not just LFL. It left them less than confident in the film side, plus a pandemic, plus multiple other factors that we are not privied to. At this point in time the smart move is to go with where the money is-and that's in streaming shows and not banking on a theater system that may not yield what they want.

I can’t believe people are still whining about TLJ. You liked it or you didn’t. It came out five years ago and there is no need to relitigate it again for the fiftieth time.

When it's the only song you know you play it.

 

[Reverend]

This rather strikes me as non-news. As the article even states, the project was back-burnered almost a year ago, and amending the clearly physically impossible release schedule now is nothing but a formality. So nothing's actually officially changed (that we know of.)

 

[Gaith]

I suspect they weren't even thinking about making a "Top Gun In Space". It was probably more along the lines of "She-Hulk In Space".

What?



Did I miss the teaser video in which Patty Jenkins talked about how awesome her father, the female lawyer, was, and how she wanted to pay tribute to him, while roller-blading through a law school library?

Depends on how much they had to put in to it in order to make that billion dollars. Again, BTS troubles were present in 3 out 5 of those films

What, are you saying that that's the audience's fault? I paid to see Solo in a theater. Is it my fault LFL basically shot the movie twice? If LFL can't make a Star Wars movie without BTS troubles (which they had one four of the five, not three), maybe they should get new management.

And, if making movies isn't a "smart move" for an A-list entertainment franchise, why is Marvel still doing it?

 

[fireproof78]

What, are you saying that that's the audience's fault?

Um, no.

maybe they should get new management.

I trust your application is in the mail then?

And, if making movies isn't a "smart move" for an A-list entertainment franchise, why is Marvel still doing it?

I stated the smart move for Star Wars was to go where the money is. And that is clearly in streaming for Star Wars, where they are seeing very positive returns, and the ability to experiment with technology on a smaller scale. I have no idea why Marvel does what Marvel does nor does it have any bearing on what Lucasfilm does.

If people are unhappy with Star Wars I would suggest individuals stop buying it.

 

[Gaith]

^ If you really don't think a competently managed LFL could make money (not just on theater tickets, but on video game tie-ins, X-Wing toys, home media sales, and Disney+ series spinoff opportunities) from a Star Wars: Top Gun movie, I don't know what to tell ya.

And while The Mandalorian has doubtless made money for Disney overall, both in D+ subs and Grogu merch, we on the outside really have no idea who profitable Boba Fett and Obi-Wan were/weren't.