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Wonder Woman(NBC) *Spoilers!*

You understand that Time-Warner-nachos-whatever owns DC Comics and has done so for decades?

Legalese means that they still have to pay each other for work and licensing, even though ostensibly they are basically the same entity.

The reason that they would have shopped it out first would have probably been that paying themselves for the benefit of using their own character is less profitable than finding some mule to do all the hard work for them.

Interesting. I've only been following Network Television for a couple years now and I assumed that Warner Brothers/DC characters could appear on the WB.
 
Also, I have a question. How is it that NBC got the rights to this? Are they owned by Warner Brothers? or did they have to buy the rights?

The show is produced by DC Entertainment and Warner Bros. Television and aired by the NBC television network. It's extremely common for shows produced and owned by one conglomerate to be broadcast on networks owned by another. For instance, WB Television also produces Fringe (aired on FOX), V (aired on ABC), The Big Bang Theory (aired on CBS), Chuck (aired on NBC), and quite a few others.

This is the way it's always worked in television. TV shows are owned by the studios that produce them. Those studios sell their shows to networks that are willing to pay for the right to broadcast them. Sometimes the network has an ownership share in the production, and sometimes the network and the production company are owned by the same overall conglomerate. But only sometimes.
 
If you were wondering, NBC is owned by Universal, and CBS used to be owned by Paramount, but I think it's become it's own entity now, and ABC is owned by Disney.
 
She's hot, she's cold, she's hot again. :rommie: WW is having a bumpy pilot season but my guess is that we'll see her come this fall.
 
If you were wondering, NBC is owned by Universal, and CBS used to be owned by Paramount, but I think it's become it's own entity now, and ABC is owned by Disney.

Rather, CBS and Paramount were both owned by Viacom, but in 2005 Viacom split itself into two companies. Confusingly, the original Viacom corporation changed its name to CBS Corporation and retained control of properties including the CBS Television Network, The CW, and Simon & Schuster, while the new spinoff company took the Viacom name and took control of Paramount Pictures, MTV, and BET.
 
That's good it's getting good test reviews. I'll probably check it out when it airs. Remember that this is a television pilot. It was rejected by every network the first time around...

No it wasn't, really, because it hadn't been produced yet. The original script and original concept for the series has rejected. As we've heard, the script that was circulated, which presumably was the one being seen by other networks, has been changed. And the big difference now is that NBC has an actual film to look at - they can see and hear the actress chosen to play WW, and they can see how it works. And by the accounts we've heard, they like what they've seen - and since the WW pilot has gotten considerable media coverage, more than any other pilot NBC has commissioned this year, that probably puts it into the "sure bet" category of being picked up for the fall or mid-season. And even if it's not picked up, we'll see the pilot put on DVD or something.

The trial by fire won't be the pilot, but rather episode 2 and 3. Those are the episodes that have killed so many shows in the past that have started off with strong pilots and weren't able to keep the momentum going - which often suggests to me the showrunners didn't expect the pilot to be picked up, that or they treated the pilot as a movie rather than the first chapter of a TV series. David Kelley is, of course, a TV veteran, so confidence is high he approached the pilot with the correct mindset and when they get the green light to do the rest, he'll pay heed to what worked in the pilot and keep that.

Alex
 
A lot of times, the budget gets slashed after the pilot and it shows. Other factors like time constrains in delivering each episode show as well.
 
The trial by fire won't be the pilot, but rather episode 2 and 3. Those are the episodes that have killed so many shows in the past that have started off with strong pilots and weren't able to keep the momentum going - which often suggests to me the showrunners didn't expect the pilot to be picked up, that or they treated the pilot as a movie rather than the first chapter of a TV series.
Why would showrunners not put effort into the second and third episodes? They have to develop shows with the expectation that it will go to series. Otherwise, why put effort into the pilot? Why bother to show the pilot, or even be in the TV biz?

I haven't noticed a lot of shows where the quality takes a disastrous drop from the pilot to the second and third episodes so much as I've noticed shows that get a lot of promotion, the audience checks it out, and decides its junk (because the pilot is junk for various reasons). Then they don't tune back in.

TV honchos like to pretend they know what shows audiences will like but their track record says otherwise. They have no idea, really, till they air the pilot and get the ratings back. They are much better at predicting predictable genres like cop shows but bad at predicting what the sf/f genre audience will like.
 
The trial by fire won't be the pilot, but rather episode 2 and 3. Those are the episodes that have killed so many shows in the past that have started off with strong pilots and weren't able to keep the momentum going - which often suggests to me the showrunners didn't expect the pilot to be picked up, that or they treated the pilot as a movie rather than the first chapter of a TV series.
Why would showrunners not put effort into the second and third episodes? They have to develop shows with the expectation that it will go to series. Otherwise, why put effort into the pilot? Why bother to show the pilot, or even be in the TV biz?

Yeah, showrunners like to WORK, so they put in a LOT of effort--we may not like the results, but, each and every show runner wants to work on a show that runs for years and years.

You don't get to the level of showrunner if you think your show won't be on TV after the pilot.

I haven't noticed a lot of shows where the quality takes a disastrous drop from the pilot to the second and third episodes so much as I've noticed shows that get a lot of promotion, the audience checks it out, and decides its junk (because the pilot is junk for various reasons). Then they don't tune back in.

Though I will say, there are times when shows improve greatly from their pilots.
 
Two shows that took a dip after the pilot... The Flash and Star Trek Voyager. And that's just off the top of my head. It's not so much that shows get worse after the pilot, it's just that you can tell that they went all out with the pilot only to settle down considerably by the second episode. It's like most of the budget and effort went into the pilot.

Anyway, here's an interesting little article I found about Thor's Jaimie Alexander...

It seems just about everything for the new “Wonder Woman” show can be controversial to comics fans — from her outfit to the actress hired — but Jaimie Alexander, who plays Lady Sif in “Thor,” has pretty strong opinions of her own about Diana Prince. In fact, she feels so strongly about the character that she once turned down the role.
Read more...

jaimiealexander3.jpg
 
Though I will say, there are times when shows improve greatly from their pilots.
Heroes did. The first couple episodes were kinda meh, then it started to really take off, for one season anyway. And then there are the aggravating shows that don't get good until the ratings have already doomed them - Invasion, Jericho, ENT. When shows get good, how long it takes, and whether they stay good and for how long is all over the map. There's no trend.
 
I was referring to the original script when I said it was rejected the first go around. The current script which details were leaked (and i barely could get past page two of the script) was the one that got picked up by NBC. Just because a pilot is getting "a lot" of media attention doesn't mean the series will be picked up. The ratings will determine that.
 
http://wonderwomantv.com/5083/podcast-review-of-the-actual-wonder-woman-pilot/

Podcast Review Of The Actual Wonder Woman Pilot
Not as nice reviews went to Justin Bruening and Elizabeth Hurley as Steve Trevor and Veronica Cale, respectively. “It was like watching a cardboard santdout,” he says of Bruening. “I can’t imagine why Diana would have left Themiscyra for this guy,” he continues. As for Hurley’s Cale, she is “over the top” and “not a character I’d want to see every week.”

Other tidbits:
- There no longer seems to be a fight sequence to “All The Single Ladies,” though that could change.
- Carelli says that the violence is really “over the top,” and that Wonder Woman kills without blinking an eye.
- The blue pants seen in the original publicity photo are nowhere to be seen. We do, however, see the pantsuit from the Hollywood Blvd. shoot as well as the traditional Wonder Woman bikini bottoms. “”The bikini bottoms work a lot better,” he says. “You actually feel like you’re watching Wonder Woman at that point.”
- He doesn’t mention the Myndi Mayer character or the computer geeks, which makes us wonder if they were cut out entirely. He does make it sound like this is a different script than the Dec. 15 version that leaked last year.

Interesting...I haven't listened to the podcast yet...just going by Craig's review of it.

Be sure to read the whole review and here is the podcast; http://www.geekshow.us/content/television-content/television-news/review-wonder-woman-pilot/ it is a 34+ minute podcast. ;)

He says the bikini bottom works alot better...I am sure it does. :p
 
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Can't say I'm surprised by his assessment of Bruening. I've only seen him in the Knight Rider Pilot and I couldn't stand him.
 
In a way, it almost doesn't matter who they cast as Steve Trevor as long as he fits the square-jaw type. The internet will say whoever got it sucks anyway.
 
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