Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion

[Ovation]

Gadot confirms that the emotional side of WW 's ending deliberately doesn't sync up with Diana's character in BvS: DoJ at all (io9):

"None of us knew exactly, exactly, the back story of Wonder Woman. And once they decided to shoot the solo movie for Wonder Woman and we started to dig in to understand the core of this character, we realized that, actually, there is no way that Wonder Woman would ever give up on mankind.

The reason why she left the island was because she wanted to make their lives better and safer—they are her calling. So, I’m giving you a very honest answer, but it was—sometimes in a creative process, you establish something that is not necessarily the right decision, but then you can always correct it and change it."​

So, folks, there you have it. All those saying that WW adhered to Snyder's grand plan, and that BvS and WW don't totally contradict each other in this respect, are objectively mistaken. The WW team didn't like the "Diana turned her back on humanity for a century" bit from BvS, so they straight-up ignored it. Period.

Phew. I’m glad we’ve managed to settle that particularly significant point of contention. I’ll certainly be able to sleep again without nightmares.

 

[Kor]

For Your Consideration (Oscars)

Unacceptable. Only formulaic biopics and pretentious, self-congratulatory artsy dramas are allowed to get Oscars.

Kor

 

[LJones41]

Gadot confirms that the emotional side of WW 's ending deliberately doesn't sync up with Diana's character in BvS: DoJ at all (io9):

"None of us knew exactly, exactly, the back story of Wonder Woman. And once they decided to shoot the solo movie for Wonder Woman and we started to dig in to understand the core of this character, we realized that, actually, there is no way that Wonder Woman would ever give up on mankind.

The reason why she left the island was because she wanted to make their lives better and safer—they are her calling. So, I’m giving you a very honest answer, but it was—sometimes in a creative process, you establish something that is not necessarily the right decision, but then you can always correct it and change it."​

So, folks, there you have it. All those saying that WW adhered to Snyder's grand plan, and that BvS and WW don't totally contradict each other in this respect, are objectively mistaken. The WW team didn't like the "Diana turned her back on humanity for a century" bit from BvS, so they straight-up ignored it. Period.

This is soooo stupid! This sounds like Geoff Johns and Patty Jenkins' stupid attempt to retcon Wonder Woman's backstory so that they can set the sequel in the 1980s.

And was Gal Gadot aware that "Batman v. Superman" was written and made before "Wonder Woman"? Apparently not. What a stupid comment to make. Apparently, Wonder Woman is not allowed to be an ambiguous character with both virtues and flaws. This retcon attempt is really stupid and cowardly. For the first time, I am disenchanted with the DCEU and Ms. Gadot.

Between this news and Marvel stuck in its own sea of mediocrity, along with other crap; I might as well face that pop culture is in the shit.

 

[Hound of UIster]

This sounds more like Geoff Johns probably understanding Wonder Woman better than you or Snyder.

 

[The Realist]

The narrative, cultural, moral, psychological, philosophical -- you name it -- function of characters like Wonder Woman and Superman is not to be "ambiguous." And while I don't generally like retcons, it's perhaps necessary in this instance to fully and finally reclaim WW from Snyder's puerile grimdark nonsense.

 

[LJones41]

Unacceptable. Only formulaic biopics and pretentious, self-congratulatory artsy dramas are allowed to get Oscars.

Kor

That's right. I keep forgetting that we're in the age that artsy and pretentious films are no longer allowed to be regarded as good. Only quirky/humorous comic book movies with one-note heroism, no flawed protagonists and a cheesy happy ending are allowed critical acclaim.

 

[Kor]

That's right. I keep forgetting that we're in the age that artsy and pretentious films are no longer allowed to be regarded as good. Only quirky/humorous comic book movies with one-note heroism, no flawed protagonists and a cheesy happy ending are allowed critical acclaim.

No.

We're in the age where only joyless, grimdark, self-important movies with morally bankrupt protagonists get critical acclaim and accolades, while lighter, more entertaining and uplifting fare featuring truly heroic characters is summarily dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.

Kor

 

[Dream]

Can you tell what is wrong with this picture?

 

[Kor]

Can you tell what is wrong with this picture?

Did Ares get that huge in the movie? And wasn't Steve toast by then? I'll have to watch it again; haven't seen it since the theatrical run.

Kor

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Can you tell what is wrong with this picture?

Ages 6-12 when we know the majority of people buying for their collections will be 30 and over?

 

[crookeddy]

No.

We're in the age where only joyless, grimdark, self-important movies with morally bankrupt protagonists get critical acclaim and accolades, while lighter, more entertaining and uplifting fare featuring truly heroic characters is summarily dismissed as obsolete and irrelevant.

Kor

This makes perfect sense. We live in the information age. We now know that there is no such thing as heroes, and there really can't be. This is why movies have evolved to shape our recent epiphany of reality.

The concept of heroism is considered outdated because it is.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Or, it's the reason we desperately need them now, more than ever.

 

[crookeddy]

Or, it's the reason we desperately need them now, more than ever.

We don't need them, and we can't need them. They don't exist and they never have. We are now enlightened enough to understand that.

 

[The Realist]

Wow, I remember when I was a darkly cynical 15-year-old, too. Nothing wrong with a little self-important adolescent angst, unless you fail to grow out of it.

 

[crookeddy]

Wow, I remember when I was a darkly cynical 15-year-old, too. Nothing wrong with a little self-important adolescent angst, unless you fail to grow out of it.

Look at your username, and proceed to rethink your world view. Santa Clause doesn't exist buddy.

 

[The Realist]

Ha! Well-played on the username, so credit where it's due.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

We don't need them, and we can't need them. They don't exist and they never have. We are now enlightened enough to understand that.

And there's also nothing wrong with having aspirations of being better than we are. And if real life role models can't inspire us to be better because of all of their failings, fictional heroes do zero harm in that regard and maybe even help.

 

[LJones41]

This sounds more like Geoff Johns probably understanding Wonder Woman better than you or Snyder.

I doubt it. I understood Wonder Woman clearly in "Batman v. Superman". You know, when she was interesting, complex and not some glorified Mary Sue/Girl Scout. I see that the fans want Wonder Woman to be a glorified Mary Sue and Geoff Johns is going to give them what they want. Too bad.

And there's also nothing wrong with having aspirations of being better than we are.

No one can sustain being better on a 24/7 basis. And if Wonder Woman aka Diana is supposed to achieve this, then I have lost all interest in her as a character. However, I'm sure that you're thrilled. Enjoy yourself.

 

[crookeddy]

And there's also nothing wrong with having aspirations of being better than we are. And if real life role models can't inspire us to be better because of all of their failings, fictional heroes do zero harm in that regard and maybe even help.

I assume you are an intelligent person. Think back on watching some cartoons as a kid. Remember those sports episodes where the team with our main characters lost every game, and next thing you know "well folks its time for the championship game!" and they come up with a win. Don't you remember thinking "hmmm if they always lost, why are they in the championship game"??

That's the way inspirational characters make me feel. It triggers the "this makes no sense" alert.

 

[Skywalker]

I assume you are an intelligent person. Think back on watching some cartoons as a kid. Remember those sports episodes where the team with our main characters lost every game, and next thing you know "well folks its time for the championship game!" and they come up with a win. Don't you remember thinking "hmmm if they always lost, why are they in the championship game"??

That's the way inspirational characters make me feel. It triggers the "this makes no sense" alert.

You must be real fun at parties.