Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion
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Sound observation, but we see some go into films with "inject your own reality" glasses Crazy Glued to their eyes, so clear storytelling is often pushed aside in favor or wish fulfillment.
Really? A half-second shot of somebody in the being especially upset over a death is evidence of a romantic connection?! That woman could be Antiope's sister or niece for all we know. When, in the documentary Restrepo, a (real-life) soldier's death sent a fellow soldier into agonized hysterics, was that clear evidence that they had a romantic relationship? You clearly didn't concede any point of mine if you keep making inane fanon arguments like this.Don't know what you're arguing with me for mate, I conceded the point!
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PSA: This character is just *really good friends* with Antiope. Totally platonic. Nothing to read into there!
I called that line a hint (nothing more or less) back in post #822, and again in #826. So, are you trolling, or just totally inept at debate?
Try again (post #837):
it seems a tad early to declare these movie characters unambiguously straight.
If my posts seem "condescending", maybe that's because it's exasperating to have to repeat myself over and over because I'm not gushing about how wonderful and Best Picture-deserving the film is, while my clear and actual observations (not opinions, but observations) are willfully ignored in search of cheap points for the home team.
It seems many of you are pretty narrow-minded in your view of what sexuality means to the Amazons, and Diana in particular.
I see some of the comments implying that since Diana was raised on an island of all women, that she must be a lesbian, or at least bi-sexual. But hasn't one of the arguments of the LGBTQ community been that just because society might be (or especially promoting) a specific sexuality, one might be born differently?
And also, must the Amazons HAVE to have a sexual orientation? Didn't practically of of them come from societies where they were being oppressed (which for many if not all may have included sexual abuse, of many kinds). Might it not be possible that they might reject sexuality as an evil of man's society? That doesn't mean that they refrain from physical touch at all, but if alternative ways (like the way they jokingly referred to it in the SNL sketch). If they think of all of the women as sisters, then wouldn't be a bit gross to have sex with your sibling, even if they are the only person around?
I see some of the comments implying that since Diana was raised on an island of all women, that she must be a lesbian, or at least bi-sexual. But hasn't one of the arguments of the LGBTQ community been that just because society might be (or especially promoting) a specific sexuality, one might be born differently?
And also, must the Amazons HAVE to have a sexual orientation? Didn't practically of of them come from societies where they were being oppressed (which for many if not all may have included sexual abuse, of many kinds). Might it not be possible that they might reject sexuality as an evil of man's society? That doesn't mean that they refrain from physical touch at all, but if alternative ways (like the way they jokingly referred to it in the SNL sketch). If they think of all of the women as sisters, then wouldn't be a bit gross to have sex with your sibling, even if they are the only person around?
^ "Hint" and "evidence" are not interchangeable terms. Example: "Eyewitness statements hinted that Prisoner McConvict committed the murder in question in that particular dark alley that one time, but DNA evidence later proved that the actual culprit was Psycho McKiller." Capiche?
Well luckily this is not a court of law, it's a *fictional story* where things being "implicit" has real weight and the audience is expected to be able to put two and two together.
Women can have sexy times without men and for reasons other than for male gratification and not all such women dress like lumberjacks for convenient identification. Get over it.
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Really? A half-second shot of somebody in the being especially upset over a death is evidence of a romantic connection?! That woman could be Antiope's sister or niece for all we know. When, in the documentary Restrepo, a (real-life) soldier's death sent a fellow soldier into agonized hysterics, was that clear evidence that they had a romantic relationship? You clearly didn't concede any point of mine if you keep making inane fanon arguments like this.
I called that line a hint (nothing more or less) back in post #822, and again in #826. So, are you trolling, or just totally inept at debate?
Try again (post #837):
it seems a tad early to declare these movie characters unambiguously straight.
If my posts seem "condescending", maybe that's because it's exasperating to have to repeat myself over and over because I'm not gushing about how wonderful and Best Picture-deserving the film is, while my clear and actual observations (not opinions, but observations) are willfully ignored in search of cheap points for the home team.
Either dial back the personal, insulting commentary or get a warning for trolling.
..and in the language of film, a hint is not confirmation. Further, despite some going out of their way to inject that into this Wonder Woman film, Diana is not what they want her to be.
Reading through this discussion of the Amazons reminds me of Mallrats for some reason.
Gadot confirms that the emotional side of WW 's ending deliberately doesn't sync up with Diana's character in BvS: DoJ at all (io9):
So, folks, there you have it. All those saying that WW adhered to Snyder's grand plan, and that BvS and WW don't totally contradict each other in this respect, are objectively mistaken. The WW team didn't like the "Diana turned her back on humanity for a century" bit from BvS, so they straight-up ignored it. Period.
"None of us knew exactly, exactly, the back story of Wonder Woman. And once they decided to shoot the solo movie for Wonder Woman and we started to dig in to understand the core of this character, we realized that, actually, there is no way that Wonder Woman would ever give up on mankind.
The reason why she left the island was because she wanted to make their lives better and safer—they are her calling. So, I’m giving you a very honest answer, but it was—sometimes in a creative process, you establish something that is not necessarily the right decision, but then you can always correct it and change it."
The reason why she left the island was because she wanted to make their lives better and safer—they are her calling. So, I’m giving you a very honest answer, but it was—sometimes in a creative process, you establish something that is not necessarily the right decision, but then you can always correct it and change it."
So, folks, there you have it. All those saying that WW adhered to Snyder's grand plan, and that BvS and WW don't totally contradict each other in this respect, are objectively mistaken. The WW team didn't like the "Diana turned her back on humanity for a century" bit from BvS, so they straight-up ignored it. Period.
It wasn't that good. Please!
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