It's better in his case because at least there's a sense he's in real danger. He doesn't have super-speed, bracelets that protect him from any kind of energy attack or nebulous powers to make him invincible in any of his final battles.
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It's better in his case because at least there's a sense he's in real danger. He doesn't have super-speed, bracelets that protect him from any kind of energy attack or nebulous powers to make him invincible in any of his final battles.
Every word in that sentence is wrong.
Diana has her bracelets, Steve has his shield. Steve does have super speed. It was one of the first things he discovered when he chased down a moving vehicle in 1942 New York. He has far greater than human strength. Recall that in Civil War that he was able to move a full size vehicle with a kick.
Not that one should take the word of a megalomaniac like the Red Skull with any type of seriousness, but it was his belief that the serum turned both he and Steve into beings not unlike gods.
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He's not fast enough to dodge or intercept bullets. He also wasn't given a sword that can cut through apparently everything (Diana's sword cutting Doomsday) not can his shield absorb any kind of energy attack (like Diana and her bracelets).
Steve was also LOSING his fight with Red Skull at the end until the Tesseract disintegrated him. Once WW's "Godkiller" powers activated she was totally invincible to anything Ares could throw at her. Lazy lazy writing.
If we were supposed to think Diana was in any real danger, we should've seen her getting shot and injured and have to deal with her injuries.
Again, Captain America didn't need to be shot to show that he'd be vulnerable, nor was Spider-Man, or any of the other MCU heroes who are not invulnerable. To boot, we saw Amazons getting killed by bullets, Diana's mentor among them.
They didn't need to show that because we saw him getting beat up by Red Skull at the climax, we saw Spidey nearly die a few times in Homecoming, etc. At NO point did we see Diana in real danger in WW. The other Amazons getting killed means nothing.
Cap never declared that British snipers who target German soldiers "fight without honor." That's what bothers me about WW; it's the hypocrisy.
Also, in the climax of WW, she says, "I believe in love"... then promptly kills her sworn enemy (and brother) just as she had set out to do in the beginning. For all the talk of her being a different kind of superhero, she ultimately disposes of her problems in the traditional manner of testosterone factories like John McClane and Dirty Harry.
Compare that to the climax of The Winter Soldier:
Steve: I won't fight you. You're my friend.
Bucky: You're my mission!
Steve: Then finish it. 'Cause I'm with you 'til the end of the line.
Bucky: You're my mission!
Steve: Then finish it. 'Cause I'm with you 'til the end of the line.
Steve loves Bucky so much that he would rather let a brainwashed Bucky kill him than be forced to kill Bucky to save himself. Bucky, for his part, is sufficiently moved (or confused) by this that he ultimately spares Steve.
That is a story of love winning out in the end. Cap is the kind of superhero that WW is purported to be.
Or it's just because it's a movie and isn't exempt from criticism. Or did someone decide that WW was just so good that no negativity would be tolerated?
The Ghostbusters debacle last year made critics nervous, and then the Weinstein Scandal hit this year which made it more trendy/political to stand by movies with strong female characters. WW came at just the right time.
According to the WW film, isn't the deal with the sword supposed to be that the power ultimately comes from her as opposed to the weapon? Unless I misunderstood.
The sword that cuts Doomsday is some new sword, not the one from WW.
When written correctly, Diana is depicted as the heart and as the most driven by love out of the entire Justice League.
WW loves everybody even her enemies, she fights purely because it is necessary not out of anger or revenge.
She killed Ares because it was necessary, his influence was too destructive on humanity. There was no redemption when it came to Ares, and good luck trying to keep him in some kind of cage.
So, it didn't need to be the soldiers' bullets, but a proper fight against an equally powerful nemesis at the end? Because Ares was the god that killed all the other gods, including Zeus, and despite the awful energy beams, that fight between WW and Ares lasted longer in the blink of an eye. Hell, Ares kept her so busy, she couldn't save Steve.
Do you really not see that bullets can hurt Wonder Woman? Why do you think she needs the bracelets?
WW's sword in this movie was an obvious decoy to take attention away from Diana finding out that she herself was the Godkiller. I doubt it was even forged by the Greek Gods.
The sword itself wasn't that special, certainly more durable than a normal sword, but that can be explained by the Amazons have better blacksmiths and special rare metals only found their island. Kind of like how there are special Valyrian steel swords in Game of Thrones that are super rare can do stuff normal swords can't.
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It needed to be anything to show she was in actual danger and could have died.
Once her Nebulous Godkiller powers emerged, he ceased to be a threat completely.
Then show her actually get hit, bleed, and have to recover. Show she can't deflect every attack.
Generally WW can bleed from bullets wounds, but she is still much more durable than a normal human. Realistically a human would immediately go down after being shot, while WW can shrug it off and heal fast from it.
The trench and town fight scenes were about her discovering her limits, and I liked how the action kept building and building until it ended with her straight out flipping an armored car and demolishing the top of the church.
I hear that Jenkins is interested is showing how her powers grow in the sequel. I think it was smart to not give WW flight yet in these movies, even if some diehard fans are annoyed about this. I mean the TV show WW is still widely known for not flying.
The trench and town fight scenes were about her discovering her limits, and I liked how the action kept building and building until it ended with her straight out flipping an armored car and demolishing the top of the church.
I hear that Jenkins is interested is showing how her powers grow in the sequel. I think it was smart to not give WW flight yet in these movies, even if some diehard fans are annoyed about this. I mean the TV show WW is still widely known for not flying.
We're not talking about the character as written in other media, and I haven't even seen JL yet. I'm just talking about the movie that is the thread topic.
Not really germane to the point — after all, McClane and Harry typically have the same excuse — but now that you bring it up, we don't really know how necessary it was.
Ares explicitly was fighting Diana only because he thought it was necessary, because Diana had conveyed to him that she was going to continue to fight him. He wasn't lying — he had the lasso around him when he said this. By every indication, if Diana had expressed an interest in negotiation, he would have accepted. There's no telling whether such negotiations would have led anywhere, but it was ultimately Diana (and, well, Jenkins) who decided to forgo the rest of the talking and skip ahead to the violence.
Such an honorable way to face, connect with, and acknowledge your enemies before smiting them with your superpowers!
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No way. Wonder Woman was released in the first weekend of June, while the Weinstein scandal started in October. WW had made all its money in theaters by then, and had already come out on home video.
Also why are you bringing Ghostbusters into this?
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To be fair, I don't think a few gunmen will ever presented as being threat to her agian. I get the feeling the writers don't want to make her Superman tier because it is so hard to write for someone so powerful. The first movie was about her more being a rookie.
WW spent much of the fight with Ares blocking and throwing stuff at him. I don't see how she was that powerful. I found her fight with Doomsday more impressive since she looked to struggle less there.
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Well, I certainly can't argue with that.
Har, har. No, we don't complain when Cap kills because he's 1) not a demigod or a hypocrite about killing, and 2) is an emotionally mature, intellectually keen adult. In WW, Diana is emotionally immature (coercing a clearly PTSD-suffering combatant back into the field for no vital reason), as well as intellectually naive and alien to the modern world (she takes Steve's assertion that the Allies are the Good Guys at face value, and is completely ignorant of basic world history, such as the decimation of indigenous North Americans at the hand of European-descended whites). The use of child soldiers is internationally considered a war crime in large part because children under 18 are assumed to lack the emotional and intellectual maturity to comprehend combat, and the rationales by which societies wage war. By that standard, Diana is a child soldier.
Moreover, Diana fights German army conscripts, many of whom were, by that part of the war, teenagers, whereas Steve fights not just Germans/Nazis but HYDRA Nazis specifically, who can reasonably be assumed to be especially vicious volunteers for said faction, and then terrorist mercenaries in the present day. Also, Steve reports to a military/SHIELD chain of command, whereas Diana does whatever the hell pops into her remarkably inexperienced mind. So no, their fighting isn't remotely the same, and it has nothing to do with gender. (Also, Steve repeatedly stresses he doesn't want to fight for fighting's sake, but rather to liberate Europe from the Nazis, whereas Diana's primary goal in life since childhood is to become a warrior. If she'd been a young boy begging to learn the art of killing, I doubt it would have been seen as anywhere near as cute.)
Finally, Nazis - including everyday Germans conscripted under the swastika flag - earned themselves a specially villainous place in pop culture on account of an event called The Holocaust. But WW1 takes place decades before that... huh, wouldn't it be nice if Diana had decided to publicly reveal herself to the world after killing Ares? She may have talked Germans/Austrians/Nazis out of WW2 and The Holocaust to begin with. Needless to say, as a young American who only became super-strong after Pearl Harbor, Steve had no such opportunity.
What limits? No. Those scenes were about giving the audience cheer-worthy Wonder-Woman-kicks-ass porn. Which isn't inherently a bad thing! There was tons of female cheering in my theater during those scenes. But as cathartic and thrilling as it clearly was for many to see a super-woman kicking ass on the big screen with that kind of scale, we need not pretend those scenes had any kind of deeper meaning within the context of the movie itself.
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