Wolverine and the X-Men
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The problem being that Rogue, until recently at least (IIRC - I recall hearing something about her powers not really growing correctly and essentially being stuck at an immature level, hence the lack of control) had no conscious control over some of the powers she absorbed (Gambit's explosive one for example), and could become a threat to herself and her allies rather than her enemies. She also had a fear early on about how her absorption would handle physical mutations such as Angel's wings, and didn't want to use it against such mutants initially.
I'm not sure I'd entirely agree about the Ms. Marvel powers being a crutch. One might argue that Ms. Marvel is basically a Marvel version of Supergirl. Part of what made it interesting was that Rogue didn't just steal her powers but her conscious mind as well, and had that problem to deal with for many years. Carol Danvers' personality, when the two agreed to share Rogue's body at different times, did show the ability to touch people without triggering the absorption, which ties in with the idea that the power was "stunted" and ultimately not functioning as it could.
To quote Billy Joel: "It's just a fantasy, it's not the real thing."
Superhero comic books aren't made to represent real people or real life, they're made for fantasy escapism.
Anywhoo..
I think may here are missing the point about Rogue.
X-Men isn't always about what you can do on the battlefield.
It's about being an outcast trying to be an equal in society.
Rogue's natural powers makes her dangerous, her touch literally kills!
How can you get a teen-aged hormonal girl to live a normal life without ever having any imtimate contact with anybody ever?
People would be afraid to even hug her because of what she does.
Too be Rogue is to be outcast amoung outcasts.
Even other mutants fear what she does.
She's walking death.
It takes a more creative writer to understand that side of Rogue, than it does to write her punching thru a wall.
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Wasn't it that the "can't touch you" part of Rogue's powers was psychological? That the Carol Danvers' part of her could touch people was to show that Rogue's powers can be controlled but it was her own mind limiting her control.
It's the same as Cyclops, where we found out it wasn't Brain Damage (that got fixed years ago) but his own mental blocks that kept him from controlling his eye beams.
It's the same as Cyclops, where we found out it wasn't Brain Damage (that got fixed years ago) but his own mental blocks that kept him from controlling his eye beams.
She's not Batman : /
^The show was probably given a Wolverine focus to tie in to the Wolverine feature film that came out in the same year. Live-action movies have far bigger audiences and make far more money than animated TV series, so the shows follow the films' lead in an attempt to attract some of the films' audience.
Well, for reasons that actually make a lot of sense within the premise of this particular show, Wolverine ends up becoming the leader of the X-Men.
I may be forgetting something, but I didn't feel the show did a good job of justifying why it had to be Wolverine (aside from Cyclops being basically useless after he thought Jean had died, but then, why not choose Storm or Beast to lead?). Sure, we had Future Charles telling Logan that it had to be him, but I don't remember an explanation why.
Sure, Wolverine's supposed to be "the quintessential outsider," but he's a member of virtually every hero team in the Marvel Universe these days. So I'd say that ship has sailed.
But that's part of the intrinsic tension of Wolverine as a member of the X-Men -- the struggle of a habitual loner and renegade to adapt to functioning on a team, the conflict between his desire to do things his own way and his responsibilities to the group. I believe the show explores a similar tension, placing Logan in a position of leadership that he's uncomfortable with and challenging him to rise to the occasion.
But that's part of the intrinsic tension of Wolverine as a member of the X-Men -- the struggle of a habitual loner and renegade to adapt to functioning on a team, the conflict between his desire to do things his own way and his responsibilities to the group. I believe the show explores a similar tension, placing Logan in a position of leadership that he's uncomfortable with and challenging him to rise to the occasion.
Because Wolverine would be the last person to be worried about anything. When he is, people that know him will listen because they know it has to be pretty bad for someone with his personality to worry. Coming for Strom or Beast, that emotion & the words behind it would sound melodramatic and X-Men like Kitty, Bobby & Rogue wouldn't want to be bothered.
Plus, Wolverine leading the team and not Storm would be so unsual, the other X-Men would have to notice and return just out of curiosity.
Well when Wolverine wasn't leading the X-men i have a feeling there was nothing called Professor X and the X-men or Cyclops and the X-men.
The whole point of the X-men for me is an ensemble cast of characters who work has a group. Ever since the films came out everybody focuses on Wolverine to the point where the films shouldn't have even be called X-men.
Well, Wolverine is a Marvel mascot.
The focus on Wolverine has always been there way, way before the films came out. He's probably the only X-Man to interact and/or fight nearly every main character within the Marvel universe. He's the only X-Men with his own monthly book. He's the only X-Men with his own seperate rogues gallery.
Wolverine has always been a rogue member of any team he's with, including the X-Men. He's never ever truly been a team player, just like Emma Frost still isn't.
Hmm I'm thinking people who haven't yet watched the show, actually watch it before passing judgement because of the fact that Wolverine is the team leader, which they do address. You'd be surprised. It's actually pretty good. A lot more mature thematically, than i originally thought it was going to be. Can't wait for Season 2!
Have they finished showing season 1 yet?
They certainly seem to be dragging it out.
oh yeah....uhh i got a little impatient so i finished the season via other means....for that very reason. Rrrrrrr matey.
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