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Wolverine and the X-Men

I liked Goth Rogue in Evo, it's not like it's out of character: In the 80s Rogue had this "Punk Rocker" look. Her personality was more fitting for someone who couldn't touch anyone else either.
 
I definitely prefer the Rogue from the '90s series. Damn, she was sexy, especially her voice.

Overall, I still have a nostalgic fondness for the '90s show, which was pretty much my introduction to the X-Men and their world, and for its time was a major step forward in the sophistication of daytime animation writing. But I also recognize its flaws; the writing, while consistent with the standards for adventure animation at the time, is awfully stilted, and the animation quality was quite poor, since it was mostly produced by Akom, one of the worst overseas studios that worked steadily on US TV animation in the '90s.
 
That, and the D-List voice cast. Lenore Zahn and Cal Dodd I can appreciate but most of the rest...meh.
 
It's probably just because the 90s cartoon was how I was introduced to the X-Men and because I grew up watching it, but those voices are, for me, the definitive voices of the characters.
 
I don't see how you can get that at all. The animation of WATXM is VERY fluid, easily the equal to Evo, and even more impressive because the detail of the designs makes it harder to animate properly.

Doesn't look that way to me at all.

Then you need to get your eyes checked.

Nor can I see where you have cause to call it "cheap".

It has more limited movement, which strikes me as the likely result of having less time and money to do it.

OK, now I KNOW you're talking out your sit-upon. WATXM has FAR more complex character movement both in idividual detail and in group composition.

Compare an average fight scene from Evo with the average fight scene from WATXM. The later has FAR more complex character motion. You need look no further than the opening credits to know that.

Evo's action scenes use editorial "cheats" to appear complex, but the individual components are all more or less standard move sequences.

Exactly my point. I said "virtually all," not "all." If you can only name two exceptions out of the entire cast, that is virtually all.

Ok, add another, Dr Reyes.

So? I didn't say they were all the same size, I said they were all D or bigger. Everything you said after "wrong" is simply a different way of putting the same thing I said.

And Domino a mere C? Hardly. Domino looks closer to a DD cup to me. Or at least a D cup. (Links are work-safe.)

Domino is wearing a corset which makes "the girls" stand up and give the illusion of being more. I MIGHT put her at the upper end of a C cup and that is giving more credit than I feel due (and yes I DID look at the links).

You can also see a clear difference in size and shape comparing her to Rogue who is right next to her.

I didn't say it was poor animation. Animation means movement, not design. What I said was that it's not realistic. In real life, most women have B or C cups.

Yes, you've carried forth and on about this before in superhero threads. Well endowed women are a genre convention. Most men aren't as cut and buff as the average superhuman male either.

But "normal men" a) don't have superhuman metabolisms and/or b) don't spend an inordinate amount of time training/fighting/working out either.


I guess it's all subjective, I prefer the look of Evo myself and do think the animation is more fluid. I think the "camera work" might be a bit better as well.

Indeed. XME really did excellent work in that regard.

Discussed above...
 
I don't see how you can get that at all. The animation of WATXM is VERY fluid, easily the equal to Evo, and even more impressive because the detail of the designs makes it harder to animate properly.

Doesn't look that way to me at all.

Then you need to get your eyes checked.



OK, now I KNOW you're talking out your sit-upon. WATXM has FAR more complex character movement both in idividual detail and in group composition.

Compare an average fight scene from Evo with the average fight scene from WATXM. The later has FAR more complex character motion. You need look no further than the opening credits to know that.

Evo's action scenes use editorial "cheats" to appear complex, but the individual components are all more or less standard move sequences.



Ok, add another, Dr Reyes.



Domino is wearing a corset which makes "the girls" stand up and give the illusion of being more. I MIGHT put her at the upper end of a C cup and that is giving more credit than I feel due (and yes I DID look at the links).

You can also see a clear difference in size and shape comparing her to Rogue who is right next to her.



Yes, you've carried forth and on about this before in superhero threads. Well endowed women are a genre convention. Most men aren't as cut and buff as the average superhuman male either.

But "normal men" a) don't have superhuman metabolisms and/or b) don't spend an inordinate amount of time training/fighting/working out either.


I guess it's all subjective, I prefer the look of Evo myself and do think the animation is more fluid. I think the "camera work" might be a bit better as well.

Indeed. XME really did excellent work in that regard.

Discussed above...
I agree with all said here.


I think WATXM is a great new introduction to the X-Men for a new generation just as the 90's FOX show was for us.
 
Darkwing duck1, your attitude is needlessly hostile. I'm not interested in trading insults, and I've made my case to my satisfaction, so I'm walking away now.
 
Darkwing duck1, your attitude is needlessly hostile. I'm not interested in trading insults, and I've made my case to my satisfaction, so I'm walking away now.
I don't see where he's being hostile but rather truthful.
Seriously, how many times must the topic of breast size be brought up in relation to this cartoon? We all grew up reading X-Men comics where the White Queen only wore a bra & panties and that was the norm, not one of us grew up with as poor image of woman due to it nor did any female reader feel any less about the character. Starfire is a huge fan favorite and she's nearly a half nude nympho. Darkwing is correct, superheroes have always been drawn with exaggerated features because they meant to be seen as large than life. Almost Godlike because they're meant to be seen as fantasy righht down to their physical representation.

Sorry Christoper but I think you're being over sensitive and literally & figuratively making mountains out of molehills..
 
I don't think Rogue should have Ms. Marvel's powers.
Then you may as well not bother using the character at all.

I disagree. Rogue's natural power makes her a formidable combatant. She can be literally ANYONE she can get an ungloved hand on. More than one person, even, if there are sufficient "donors".

Giving her the Ms Marvel powers generally paints her into the corner of just being a Ms Marvel clone. The writers just use her as a brick that flies and forget how versatile she really is.
 
I don't think Rogue should have Ms. Marvel's powers.
Then you may as well not bother using the character at all.

I disagree. Rogue's natural power makes her a formidable combatant. She can be literally ANYONE she can get an ungloved hand on. More than one person, even, if there are sufficient "donors".

Giving her the Ms Marvel powers generally paints her into the corner of just being a Ms Marvel clone. The writers just use her as a brick that flies and forget how versatile she really is.
...as well a how tragic & dangerous her powers are.
 
Then you may as well not bother using the character at all.

I disagree. Rogue's natural power makes her a formidable combatant. She can be literally ANYONE she can get an ungloved hand on. More than one person, even, if there are sufficient "donors".

Giving her the Ms Marvel powers generally paints her into the corner of just being a Ms Marvel clone. The writers just use her as a brick that flies and forget how versatile she really is.
...as well a how tragic & dangerous her powers are.

That too...
 
Giving her the Ms Marvel powers generally paints her into the corner of just being a Ms Marvel clone. The writers just use her as a brick that flies and forget how versatile she really is.
That's down to bad writing though and not the fault of her having Ms. Marvel's powers.
 
Giving her the Ms Marvel powers generally paints her into the corner of just being a Ms Marvel clone. The writers just use her as a brick that flies and forget how versatile she really is.
That's down to bad writing though and not the fault of her having Ms. Marvel's powers.

No, it's implicit in the giving of the powers. Why should she exercise creativity or stealth or anything else when she can knock a hole in a rebar-concrete wall and fly?

The Ms Mavel powers are a crutch to avoid dealing with the impacts and implications of her true native power.
 
I always found flying super strong Rogue to be more interesting and useful. Of course, any character without a natural healing factor or immunity doesn't really belong on the battlefield.
 
^There's nothing wrong with sexuality. But who decided that breasts have to be huge to be sexy? Not that big breasts aren't sexy; on the contrary, I'm quite fond of them (as long as they're natural). But small and medium ones can be just as gorgeous. Beauty comes in many forms, and comic books make their female characters less intriguing to the eye by giving them all the same body type. Variety is more beautiful than uniformity. And I would rather see a cast of comic-book females that looked like real beautiful women do, with realistic proportions and realistic variety of body types, than the exaggerated, repetitive, silicone-inflated looks they tend to be given in comics today.
 
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