With no Space Seed, how can there be a "Khan Movie"?

[SeerSGB]

Maybe "Space Seed: The Movie". Take the classic episode, a little retool, and you've got a movie. You could tell the basic story: Enterprise finds derelict ship, they revive Khan, Woos a female crewmember (Uhura?) he takes over the ship, and Kirk and Co. are forced to retake her before Khan uses the most powerful ship in the fleet (you know they'll go with that) to begin a mission of conquest. Maybe even toss Genesis and Carol Marcus into the mix as them working on a way to create a new Vulcan homeworld or something.

 

[Gojira]

Because Khan is a CHARACTER, not a story. He doesn't have to have the same obsession with James T. Kirk in this version, or it can happen for a totally different reason.

My guess it that the Klingons find the SS Botany Bay shortly after the Kelvin is destroyed. By the time of the next movie, Khan's been among the Klingons for almost 30 years - he'll probably be ruling the Empire from the shadows.

I really like that idea!

 

[Franklin]

In my opinion, some romanticization of the pre-TWOK Khan has been going on. In TOS, Harry Mudd gave Kirk a harder time than Khan did in "Space Seed", for crying out loud.

Any use of Khan in a new story where he simply defrosts, steals a starship, and goes off to more or less aimlessly conquer strange, new worlds would pale by comparison to how he was used in TWOK. The extreme passions, strong personal motivations, and singular, maniacal focus that drove the character in TWOK could not be duplicated with the same intensity in such a story. There's not enough baggage attached to the character. And, the baggage is what turned Khan into Khaaaaan!

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Nah, Khan was one of the best antagonists on Star Trek way before TWOK - which is largely how he wound up in TWOK.

 

[Greg Cox]

Why are some of you in Khan denial?

Because it's all just fannish rumor and speculation, which some people seem to be treating as fact.

 

[Satyrquaze]

Why can't this hypothetical Khan movie be it's own "Space Seed"?

 

[Captaindemotion]

In my opinion, some romanticization of the pre-TWOK Khan has been going on. In TOS, Harry Mudd gave Kirk a harder time than Khan did in "Space Seed", for crying out loud.

Any use of Khan in a new story where he simply defrosts, steals a starship, and goes off to more or less aimlessly conquer strange, new worlds would pale by comparison to how he was used in TWOK. The extreme passions, strong personal motivations, and singular, maniacal focus that drove the character in TWOK could not be duplicated with the same intensity in such a story. There's not enough baggage attached to the character. And, the baggage is what turned Khan into Khaaaaan!

I think he was a pretty good baddie of the week in Space Seed but you're totally right about what made Khan such a great baddie in TWOK.

 

[Jackson_Roykirk]

Why are some of you in Khan denial?

Because it's all just fannish rumor and speculation, which some people seem to be treating as fact.

I have no major problem with a Khan story. I suppose if the movie is enjoyable, it wouldn't matter too much to me if it was a Khan story or not.

However, I think I would rather it be a story with an all-new antagonist.

 

[Lord Garth FOI]

Care to place a wager?

Why are some of you in Khan denial?

Because it's all just fannish rumor and speculation, which some people seem to be treating as fact.

 

[Mage]

Care to place a wager?

Why are some of you in Khan denial?

Because it's all just fannish rumor and speculation, which some people seem to be treating as fact.

There has been NO interview or comment from ANYONE involved with this movie where the name Khan was dropped. None. Every bit of text where Khan is named in relation to Trek2 on the internet, is by fans.
The only piece ever was by one (or two) of the producers shortly after the first one, where they were talking about Trek2 and they mentioned that a lot of expectations were towards Khan, but they had no idea for a sequel in itself as of yet.
That's it, all she wrote, the big scoop. Not even Cumberbatch himself says he's officially the villian (http://www.trektoday.com/content/2012/01/cumberbatch-as-villain-just-supposition/).
All the talk about him being cast as the villian was, again, made up by varies sites bringing the news that he was cast.

 

[Dukhat]

Care to place a wager?

Sure, I'll bet 500 quatloos that Star Trek Internet Fan Baseless Speculation (STIFBS) will almost always be wrong when trying to determine what's actually going to happen in the movie years before the movie comes out.

 

[Greg Cox]

Care to place a wager?

Sure, I'll bet 500 quatloos that Star Trek Internet Fan Baseless Speculation (STIFBS) will almost always be wrong when trying to determine what's actually going to happen in the movie years before the movie comes out.

I'll double that bet!

Honestly, I have no idea if Khan is in the next movie or not. I'm just bemused at the way this assumption has gone from wild speculation to article of faith--on the basis of no hard evidence whatsoever.

 

[Therin of Andor]

I liked Orci's comment, ages ago, about holding over the Klingons designed for the first movie and making better use of them. That this movie might open with the Klingons encountering Khan's sleeper ship - and blowing it to smithereens for target practice, just like Klaa did to a Pioneer probe in ST V.

 

[Tiberius]

As stated in the title, if there was no Space Seed episode, how can they have a Khan Movie.

They could possibly use "Flashbacks" type footage, and can even slip Pike in place of Kirk. But have Khan come after the Captain of the Enterprise, and not have him realize, in his raged mind that Kirk isn't Pike.

The existence of "Space Seed" shows you can have a Story about Khan without any previously established stuff.

 

[shapeshifter]

Why are some of you in Khan denial?

Because I do not want Khan wasting screen time in the Nuverse. I already saw that story hundreds of times and don't care to see it rehashed no matter how imaginably they rewrite it. Plain and simple; I am over that, it's done and dead to me. Go fresh or *&^$ it all to hell.

There are other, better ways to season the nuverse with nods and homages to TOS without redoing Khan. ST09 has them in spades so why not continue what they started...

Redoing Khan will prove to me they had no vision for originality in their Nuverse beyond part one, a One Trick Pony.

I liked Orci's comment, ages ago, about holding over the Klingons designed for the first movie and making better use of them. That this movie might open with the Klingons encountering Khan's sleep ship - and blowing it to smithereens for target practice, just like Klaa did to a Pioneer probe in ST V.

Again, YES! Doing this would prove their commitment to not selling out, taking an easy path to success.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Redoing Khan will prove that they've got no vision? Are you kidding?

If they do a remake of "Space Seed" or "Wrath of Khan", I might agree. But STXII, if it features Khan, will be no more a remake of either of those two than "The Dark Knight" remade "Batman (1989)"

 

[shapeshifter]

No, I'm not kidding - and if you do not understand what I mean then I cannot help you, I've said it as clearly as I am able.

Okay, I'll try: If a character appears on screen and his name is "KHAN", I consider it a remake. Clear enough?

 

[Tiberius]

No, I'm not kidding - and if you do not understand what I mean then I cannot help you, I've said it as clearly as I am able.

Okay, I'll try: If a character appears on screen and his name is "KHAN", I consider it a remake. Clear enough?

If a character appears on screen and his name is "SPOCK", will you consider it a remake too?

There was an episode of Buffy that had a character named DRACULA. Was that episode a remake of a certain Bram Stoker novel?

 

[Greg Cox]

No, I'm not kidding - and if you do not understand what I mean then I cannot help you, I've said it as clearly as I am able.

Okay, I'll try: If a character appears on screen and his name is "KHAN", I consider it a remake. Clear enough?

But you didn't answer his question. Do you consider The Dark Knight a remake of Batman (1989) just because they both feature Batman vs. the Joker? And was Batman (1989) a remake of the even older Batman movie with Cesar Romero as the Joker?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Okay, I'll try: If a character appears on screen and his name is "KHAN", I consider it a remake. Clear enough?

Well, I guess that works if we're going to let people make up any definitions they like for common English words. Most of us stick a little closer to the dictionary in the hope of actually communicating in a shared language.

The "Khan" rumor tracks to Variety in early December as well as fan sources, so it's not entirely accurate to call it a "fan rumor."