Harvested makes sense.
Ergons? Borrowing from Omega who she hasn't met yet as far as we know. Possible I suppose.
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Ergons? Borrowing from Omega who she hasn't met yet as far as we know. Possible I suppose.
Look, I'm old but I ain't that old!
Indeed, this 54 year old knows who Omega is!Look, I'm old but I ain't that old!
43 here.
In fact, I would say mid-40s is the sweet spot, at least for Americans because that age range grew up watching Doctor Who on PBS. Granted, I didn't see either of the Omega serials until years later, but my early conversion to the show made it easier to go back and watch all of the serials, instead of being introduced to the show in my 20s.
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Personally, I'm beyond thrilled that RTD is mining the classic lore beyond simply the Daleks, the Cybermen and The Master. Maybe that belongs in the controversial opinion thread, but here we are.
At least he's calling it "underverse" instead of "e-space" or "antimatter universe". Given the shift to gods and fantasy, "underverse" (like "underworld" where goblins and the ilk are said to live, and only now do I remember Ncuti's premiere and episodes before so RTD is definitely up to something), it makes sense and gods have been mentioned sporadically throughout the season.
Still a lot that needs to be answered decently in the grand finale.
I can't disagree; often something feels missing or they're used "in name only".
Sacha Dhawan did much with his scripts, though for his Master's traits, which are refreshingly varied, infusing the hyperactivity of the Master circa series 3 was the weakest element -- but he had more going on besides that and the return of the TCE was terrific. But Capaldi's era's use of the Master, both Simm and Gomez, was IMHO the best... even if it should have been the Rani trying to use the Cybermen and those nasty experiments for her own benefit. If the Doctor is a Sigma personality type where he does things just for his own interests, the Rani would be comparable in that regard. (If you're into Alpha, beta, Sigma, Delta, et al and not more recent studies such as MBTI...)
After series 1 (2005), the Daleks didn't feel very threatening again... until Chibnall's era, where each return of them - cordoned off as a new year's event as an added bit of brilliance - got better each time, with "Eve of the Daleks" being a needed home run. Of Chibnall's Dalek stories, "Eve" is easily the one I'd recommend.
True. And if honoring the source material, returning characters can be quite good. There was just enough in "Arc of Infinity" and giving Omega a tragic persona instead of shouty stereotype to make up for how the story pretended "The Three Doctors" didn't take place (never mind hokey melodrama surrounding control of the Matrix), and every Rani-centric story since "The Mark of the Rani" didn't quite get the Rani right either, forgetting she's not the Master, relying far more on Kate O'Mara's panache. Archie Panjabi does some wonders with the material in the script, so I'm glad the casting was thoughtfully done.
^Agreed about the Daleks not feeling threatening after their first appearance*. They went the way Voyager took the Borg. It's another reason why I'm glad RTD is mining new material rather than going back to the same old proven wells.
*Yes! Until Chibnall! I'm glad someone said it. For me, Thirteen's defining moment was this moment, where I said "yes this is the Doctor", and was from her first encounter with a Dalek.
*Yes! Until Chibnall! I'm glad someone said it. For me, Thirteen's defining moment was this moment, where I said "yes this is the Doctor", and was from her first encounter with a Dalek.
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I was 14 in 1981. Think that was significant.
62 years and 6 months as of this post. I was 3 months shy of 20 years when I watched my first DW episode ("Robot - Part One") in August 1982 on PBS. I guess I was at the prime age to catch it, at least according to some arguments.
I had the good fortune to not go in blind. When I saw the first promos earlier that summer (while watching a Brit-com called "Doctor in the House"), I thought, "Wait, I've read about this show in Starlog. One issue even provided an episode guide." So I thumbed through my collection and found it, # 23.
StarLog, Issue 23, page 34, "Doctor Who - Britain's Time Traveler Arrives in the Colonies"
That article served as a great "primer" for the series, providing a brief overview of the show's history, concepts like the TARDIS and regeneration as well as the more notable "monsters" and villains. Nowadays, it's a simple matter to just Google something, but resources during those years were rare. It'd a good thing I collected the magazine.
Sorry if this post is a tad off topic, but I really wanted to link that article. The whole run of StarLog used to be hosted at the internet Archive, but got "pulled" at some point. Looks like some issues survived, or somebody else reposted some.
I had the good fortune to not go in blind. When I saw the first promos earlier that summer (while watching a Brit-com called "Doctor in the House"), I thought, "Wait, I've read about this show in Starlog. One issue even provided an episode guide." So I thumbed through my collection and found it, # 23.
StarLog, Issue 23, page 34, "Doctor Who - Britain's Time Traveler Arrives in the Colonies"
That article served as a great "primer" for the series, providing a brief overview of the show's history, concepts like the TARDIS and regeneration as well as the more notable "monsters" and villains. Nowadays, it's a simple matter to just Google something, but resources during those years were rare. It'd a good thing I collected the magazine.
Sorry if this post is a tad off topic, but I really wanted to link that article. The whole run of StarLog used to be hosted at the internet Archive, but got "pulled" at some point. Looks like some issues survived, or somebody else reposted some.
Everybody's homework assignment has been posted on YouTube.
That video's unavailable in my country, so I don't know what it is. I'm assuming Arc of Infinity though. Maybe Three Doctors? Hopefully not Dimensions in Time.
Yeah, I’m giving RTD a lot of leeway with both those suggestions — saying that, the production designers have been good this year, so even if RTD didn’t script it, I would put money on yhe design team doing their research, just as with the seal of Omega from the new trailer. The Bone Palace itself is also in keeping with existing Omega design cues, as well as borrowing from The Ancestor Cell.
Moffat knew to only bring stuff back if there was something interesting to be done with them (or was letting Chibnall have his go with the Silurians…) or sometimes rather than making up something new when something existing would work well. Saying that, there were rumblings that the Monk three parter was supposed to have them be Cybermen, which would have been quite interesting, all things considered. He made very good use of Mondasian style Cybermen, and used the Zygons for genuinely interesting purposes for example — even having the crazy idea of using an anniversary story to seed something else down the line, possibly by sheer chance.
Chibnalls Dalek stories were all rip-off’s and remixes to be honest. If I had a penny for each time the Doctor played off the Daleks xenophobia against another group of Daleks to resolve a threat, I’d have a surprising amount of pennies. I’d have less for every time there’s some Daleks supposedly working for human creators, but still more than a cola bottles worth…
Sure, if you say so...
Great clip, thanks! I need to give "Revolution" another looksee. Wasn't too impressed, but I don't recall that scene - which is good!
I will agree that that scene is a bit of a retread, as the 80s Dalek stories formed an "arc" of sorts that had their own civil war brewing thanks to Davros. And no Earth as a location was needed for every single story, only "Resurrection of the Daleks". An arc done largely well.
That said, "Eve of the Daleks" definitely felt more than the sum of its parts and any influences (and DW's history, past and present, are loaded with them and to varying degrees of "remix"*) and was very clever at times. I believe it was "Resolution" (the 2nd one, unless I got the first two titles' mixed up) where the Daleks state they intend to use as a Dalek breeding/incubation planet, which is HUGE as we finally get a reason for at least the Daleks reappearing on (modern day Earth) every single time, which is something that the previous two showrunners did not address. (Well, okay, having Earth be an anchor for a critter invasion by everything in the universe does get repetitive, but it sorta was by the middle of series 1 (2005) as well.)
So while there are valid criticisms of Chibnall's era (like any showrunner's perfect!), there were definite triumphs.
Besides, if nothing else, it gave Joe Vevers some great material to play with, like this:
Even with the Classic era that created it all with aplomb:
* Though ideally the resultant story is written so well that those influences don't scream "Hi there, you might remember me as being plot bits from 'Frankenstein'!" for example (e.g. "The Brain of Morbius"), though Frankenstein was made decades earlier and likely not as directly remembered. After all, Star Wars has a few nods to stuff made decades earlier mixed with original bits too. Question is ultimately if the sum of its parts is exceeded or feels original or not.
