Windows Majove - Really?
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Why does microsoft even care? They should just sell computers with Vista only and it will eventually blow over. Not THAT many people are gonna stick with XP, not THAT many businesses are gonna NOT upgrade, at least eventually.
What's the point of a monopoly if you can't ride out the repercussions of a shit product now and then?
What's the point of a monopoly if you can't ride out the repercussions of a shit product now and then?
Microsoft doesn't sell computers. They sell the operating system. Therefore your suggestion doesn't work.
You're totally mistaken. I don't know of ANY businesses that have upgraded to Vista.
Well, Vista has some perception troubles, but it's by no means "shit".
EDIT: And it's "Mojave" not "Majove".
I ahve an ZP/Ubuntu dual boot machine, I'm slowly migrating more and more towards Ubuntu, attempting to leave Windows only for gaming (which I do only very occasioanlly) and random 3rd party software only designed for windows (for example I need Chemical drawing and modelling software and that available for Ubuntu at the moment is limited at best).
When I'm jsut net surfing, typing, watching dvds, listening to music, I'll use Ubuntu.
Vista is just a pain. Plus, I've had constant crashes. It's not nearly as resilient to playing with as XP is.
Or you run Boot Camp under OS X.
Oh yeah, that's true. Although, I wouldn't be surprised if the number of people who bother to do Boot Camp or Parallels is negligible.
The only time I ever crashed Vista was when I was installing it on a machine with 8 gigs of ram on the board. Then, i just took it all out and left in 1 stick and no problems.
Of course, I put the ram back in after the install. It's only for the install that it creates and issue.
Do you believe that because you have had constant crashes that everyone with Vista has constant crashes?
The only crashes I've ever had were really the result of poor 3rd party driver support, which has since been fixed. Certainly not Vista's fault... and the same thing happened when XP was first released.
UAC
Dammit.
I don't want my computer pestering me if I'm sure I want to do every little damn thing I do. Like opening a program!!!
And I know you can turn UAC off but that gimps the security.
It SHOULD have a feature in to tune UAC to fit a user's needs. Especailly someone like me who's an "advanced" user and doesn't need to be hand-holded and second-quessed by his damn computer.
Toss the annoying UAC out and Vista is just fine.
Dammit.
I don't want my computer pestering me if I'm sure I want to do every little damn thing I do. Like opening a program!!!
And I know you can turn UAC off but that gimps the security.
It SHOULD have a feature in to tune UAC to fit a user's needs. Especailly someone like me who's an "advanced" user and doesn't need to be hand-holded and second-quessed by his damn computer.
Toss the annoying UAC out and Vista is just fine.
Going by some of the early reviews as Vista went through the betas, we semi dodged the bullet with UAC - it's level of invasiveness was much greater and it was toned down before the RTM.
The commercial - in particular the stupid jingle at the end - is extremely annoying. The general public is not going to upgrade an operating system. They will wait until they're forced into upgrading by the need for a new computer. As long as what they have works for their needs, they're not going to spend the money or risk losing what they have.
As for Office 2007, are they really planning another release next year? Because if so, I REALLY hope they fix that mess. I tried that bloated monstrosity for a day and couldn't uninstall it fast enough. My functionality and efficiency went right down the toilet. HORRIBLE redesign.
As for Office 2007, are they really planning another release next year? Because if so, I REALLY hope they fix that mess. I tried that bloated monstrosity for a day and couldn't uninstall it fast enough. My functionality and efficiency went right down the toilet. HORRIBLE redesign.
UAC seems to be a thing they ripped off from Linux/OSX, since the idea is that you're never logged in as root.
In fact, Vista hides the root account from you and most people don't notice the fact that they don't have true administrator access.
The funny thing is that there was a OSX virus that preyed on people ignoring their version of the UAC. Since most people are conditioned to just type in their password and hit "okay" when a system level dialog box pops up because 99.9% of the time it's something unimportant, this virus basically popped up the dialog box and recorded your password after you typed it. Then it would basically run amok on the system with root access.
I guess that's the bigger problem. Once something becomes habitual, it becomes a security risk.
Oh, speaking of which, I like the way that SpyBot S&D does it. Basically, it only comes up when a non-user initiated process tries to do something to the system. Which is really how it should be.
In fact, Vista hides the root account from you and most people don't notice the fact that they don't have true administrator access.
The funny thing is that there was a OSX virus that preyed on people ignoring their version of the UAC. Since most people are conditioned to just type in their password and hit "okay" when a system level dialog box pops up because 99.9% of the time it's something unimportant, this virus basically popped up the dialog box and recorded your password after you typed it. Then it would basically run amok on the system with root access.
I guess that's the bigger problem. Once something becomes habitual, it becomes a security risk.
Oh, speaking of which, I like the way that SpyBot S&D does it. Basically, it only comes up when a non-user initiated process tries to do something to the system. Which is really how it should be.
Which is exactly why MS his running into huge problems with OS sales - PC sales are no longer growing as fast as they did through the 80's and 90's. Thus, they aren't experiencing the same explosive growth as they did in the past - which pisses off shareholders, and names CEO's sad.
MS needs to get foot first into a high growth industry, like Apple did with i-pod, instead of bringing out marginal copies of everybody else's products. But then, that's what MS is used to.
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This is no doubt very old news, but I saw my first commercial last night on Miscrosoft's "new" operating system, Windows Majove!
For those who have not heard of this, Microsoft, in a move spelling of desperation borrowed a play from softdrink companies and told customers that Windows Vista is a "brand new" operating system called Majove. When customers are impressed (on hidden camera) with Majove, Microsoft says "ah hah! Users really like Vista! Diet Windows now tastes more like regular Windows!"
Really? What are they trying to prove? I honestly can't what the point is, considering most of the "casual" PC users I know already upgraded with no problem when they bought a new PC, and this ad seems to feature only casual users being given a short demo. In other words, whose mind are they trying to change?
The hardcore users have problems with Vista that a few minutes of using Vista will not change. So this commercial will have absolutely no impact on their decision to stick with Vista.
What it might do is change the mind of a few casual users who haven't upgraded because their nerdy brother in-law told them Vista sucks. Maybe. Even then, most casual users upgrade Windows when getting a new PC, so I doubt this will entice them to go out and purchase a brand new boxed copy of Windows!
What do you guys think of this? A good marketing move, or a sign of desperation? I see it as another sign that Microsoft's marketing division exists in some alternate reality where making things look shitty sells products.
Tremblingblustar, are you a PC user?
Which is why they're moving to a subscription model for various Enterprise products - it gives them a chance to generate a continuous income stream.
be interesting to see if they get any takers on this epsecially if Microsoft then use it to leverage businesses on to the next version when it comes out.
Then there was MS suckering people into a software assurance program a few years back. Think it was back in 2003. You could by the open licence subscription (for which you payed full price for the software) and then you could pay extra to get the next version of Windows and or Office which at that point was supposedly 12 months away. Businesses plonked down their money, Problem was that Vista and Office 2007 didn't come out for another 4 years. People were not impressed and Microsoft got money twice - for the software assurance (which ended up being pure profit because they didn't have to supply anything) and the money when people forked out to by the new versions.
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