Spoilers Willow sequel series on Disney+

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  1. Mr. Adventure

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    Some more clarification on Madmartigan's voice:

    https://twitter.com/JonKasdan/status/1608363506159747073
    Jon Kasdan @JonKasdan
    TIDBIT: For the moment when Madmartigan calls out to Kit from beyond the seal, we recorded @valkilmer for the performance, then combined Jack Kilmer's voice (an uncanny match for his dad) with the AI technology Sonantic developed for Val, woven together by@DavidWCollins

    Also, I stumbled on this at Youtube and think it would've fit in well with all the other cover version we've seen earlier in the series:
     
  2. LaxScrutiny

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    I think the choice for the Crimson & Clover cover was for the female voice, since is was more related to Kit and Jade, and Elora. The Beach Boys fit better for me because it was about what was hitting Airk in the moment. I think the "Vibrations" hints at something unseen going on. Or just love at first sight, could be either at this point.
     
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  3. Mr. Adventure

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    Episode 7, it’s hard for me to be objective, these are my favorite type of episodes with the long dreamy journey through fantastic lands. I can forgive a lot when it comes to these.

    It does seem crazy to be wrapping up next week. They probably should have sprinkled Airk/Arik more throughout the series run then get invested here late in the game but I suppose he’s been the McGuffin. Was also surprised with Grayson’s latent magic.

    The series plotting and throughline is a bit haphazard but I like the characters. I’m glad they used Willow a little more, sometimes it feels like he’s just tagging along with our party rather than being a part of it.
     
  4. Timelord Victorious

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    This was the best episode yet, in a way.
    They stripped the characters naked, figuratively speaking, much more than when they were party a few episodes back under the influence.

    they didn’t confess to anyone else, they finally confessed to themselves and showed who they really are.

    And Airk chose to give in to the dark side and do the Empor.. er, the Crone’s bidding.
    he got corrupted by her and turned against the one he loves as a weapon against Elora.
    I think he is meant to become her downfall.

    can we savely say, it’s not going to work because both Airk and Elora never truly loved each other.

    Craydon will prove to be much more deserving of her love, hero or not, while Airk either accepts his weakness and desire for adoration or succumb to it.
     
  5. Christopher

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    Warwick Davis impressed me more with his acting here than he's done up to now. He played Willow's angst quite well.

    It took me a couple minutes to notice, but Elora's reverted to her natural hair color at last. (Elora's natural color, that is -- I don't know what Ellie Bamber's natural color is, since she displays several in her Google images.) I'm not sure if it's just that the dye's worn off/washed out through her adventures and I just didn't notice before, or if it was her powerful use of magic to save Kit that caused her natural color to reassert itself.

    Of course, the painful irony is that if Elora had just taken a few seconds longer to save Kit, she could've dragged Airk with her too and they could've all gone home. So she kind of scored an own goal there.
     
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  6. Timelord Victorious

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    Yup, I wasn’t sure at first if it was the lighting, but the hair actually changed. And no one acknowledged it on camera
     
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  7. The Nth Doctor

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    I noticed her hair color change almost immediately once they arrived at the Shattered Sea but I hadn't really thought about why the change. I agree with the notion that she was coming more into her own magically is what brought it out.

    I also loved this episode and its focus to look inward for all of the characters, Airk included. I agree with everything you said here.
     
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    Yeah, this was a great character based episode, it was nice to really take a deep dive into the character's issues.
    I loved Kenneth, he was awesome.
    I'm curious if the story The Crone told Arik is her real backstory, or just BS to earn his sympathy. I'm leaning towards it being true, it seemed pretty plausible.
     
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  9. Nerys Myk

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    Her hair has been showing hints of red for several episodes.
     
  10. Reverend

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    I hate to say it but I'm really struggling to enjoy this show. I really enjoy the cast and their characters, but the tone, pacing and plot are all over the damn place. It's like there's the bones of something there, but a lot of the usual connective tissue is just gone. It gives one the impression of reading a novel with a third of the pages of every chapter missing. Also really not a fan of the thing they're doing with the music.

    And yeah, it's a little weird that her hair changed colour and nobody seemed to acknowledge it. I had to rewind to even see when it happened (during the spell right at the start.) It feels like this should have been a bigger deal.

    All that said, I still hope they get a second season AND iron out whatever the hell is going on with the writing. Oh and ditch the needle drops and get a composer that can do something that actually sounds like a companion piece to Horner's work.
     
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  11. LaxScrutiny

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    Kind of would have cut the series short, but, yeah.
    She did explain to the gang that she'd blondified her hair with Herbal Essense earlier in the series. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised at it growing out, but...
    Kitt: "Hey, you're back to your natural colour! Lookin' good girlfirend!!" "Oh, thanks! What with all the magic and all, I'd thought i'd go for a new look. You really like it?" "Hey, you know I have a thing for redheads. Maybe I could do your toenails later?"
    Graydon: (Wide eyed, tongue hanging out, drooling...)
    Willow: "You're not ready!!!"
     
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  12. Mr. Adventure

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  13. Christopher

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    Of course it isn't. Hairstyling in film and TV is never accidental. They have a whole department of people they pay to take care of the actors' hair, and they test hairstyles and colors extensively before filming begins.
     
  14. Mr. Adventure

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    I guess I could have worded that better but I would think by context of the thread that it would be apparent I meant if there was any doubt to the meaning behind the hair color change.

    Thanks for explaining hairstyling though. :p
     
  15. Christopher

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    Sorry, I wasn't directing that at you. I was just bewildered that the Twitter poster would've thought they even had to ask.

    I think the problem I often have is that I tend to see this BBS more as a public forum addressing readers in general, and I fail to realize that other people see it more as a personal conversation. So I don't always make it clear enough that I'm not actually addressing the person whose post I'm responding to, just making an observation about its subject.
     
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  16. ashleytinger

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    OK, After 7 episodes, it finally hit me what was off with this show.

    The WIllow film is this epic dark fantasy film with a huge budget but the world feels lived in and nasty and like anything could and can kill you. It's the best parts of a dark fairy tale and a serial epic from the 30s.

    The WIllow show is the tabletop adventure that this DM came up with from a homebrew game setting and it's a little bit fluffier and nicer and has a bunch of pop culture references cause the players love it and while the names are all there for these places, it's just a Bit Too Fluffy to fit the mold of the original.

    I still like the series, but it's lacking that lived in polish and nastiness the first film had. I mean Madmartigan was FILTHY nearly the entire film. When is the last time anyone in this show stayed dirty beyond one scene? Instead of a series, they could have dropped like 3 or 4 set pieces and episodes, a bunch of filler, kept the character bits and cleaned up the action so it's less 'shoot for the edit' and is a bit better choreographed and you'd have gotten a really good film.

    ALSO we don't need EVERY character from the film referenced in this. While it was fun to see some of them, it's pure nostalgia. Star Wars Rebels had this issue too. Nearly every episode (not all) where they meet up with someone from the Rebel Alliance that isn't involved in the end of S3 and S4 is basically filler and doesn't really add much. Other than to stall Willow, what did the Brownies really add to that one episode?

    I'm still enjoying it, but it's veered away from the source material way too much for me. The names are there but the danger and grit is just... gone.
     
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  17. Tyr

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    Zippers? Really? This show has some more than questionable design choices...
     
  18. M'rk son of Mogh

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    Why can't they have zippers?
     
  19. Tyr

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    Because zippers can only be made with machines. You need industrialisation and machinery to invent and produce zippers. The world of Willow is more than a millenium away from this.
     
  20. M'rk son of Mogh

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    They have magic. You don't need machines when you have magic.
     
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