Well .... I did see the movie not all that long ago and the shot struck me just that way.
William Shatner Apologizes For Star Trek V
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It always amazes me how much crap is thrown at Shatner. I think people should do some research into the man and his career, and not judge based on told and retold anecdotes from up to 50 years ago.
I've never heard anyone outside the core cast of original Trek say a bad word about the man, but I don't go looking for that sort of thing. At 85 years old, after around 60 years in TV and film, he's still the hardest working man in Hollywood.
I think the Shatner haters should be ashamed of themselves.
I've never heard anyone outside the core cast of original Trek say a bad word about the man, but I don't go looking for that sort of thing. At 85 years old, after around 60 years in TV and film, he's still the hardest working man in Hollywood.
I think the Shatner haters should be ashamed of themselves.
I don't know any but if I meet one, I'll make sure to let him know.
I just re-watched the scene I'm talking about. Melanie Shatner is on the screen for literally a third of it.
And in any event, why shouldn't she be? She's already depicted as the yeoman, and the idea is that everyone on the bridge is completely awestruck at the actual reality of what they believe to be "heaven."
I didn't mean to suggest that the shot was inappropriate, or gratuitous, in any way. I just see it as being self-serving, sort of, that's all. If I had a beautiful daughter who wanted to be a movie star and I'm directing something ... I'm doing at least as much for my little princess as Shatner does here.
I ... see your point. I meant to say that it wasn't "superfluous" rather than that it wasn't "gratuitous." The shot helpfully reminds the audience, of course, that danger's on its way, as our Heroes take no notice. I wouldn't take it out.
The entire point of the original discussion was that it's an incredibly beautiful shot, artfully directed, and far superior to anything in either of Nimoy's films (and I think the only argument you can make for Meyer's work in Khan is maybe the separation of Kirk and Spock as the latter dies) -- the whole point of the film is to stop searching for an otherworldly "God" but rather to focus on our friends and family, the things that really matter, and missing the forest for the trees almost got the Enterprise blown the fuck up by Klaa.
You instead chose to double-down on claptrap.
You instead chose to double-down on claptrap.
I suppose so? I didn't meant to, if that's what happened. I know you like the shot, sir. All I can say to that is that it wasn't my intention to annoy you.
I know she was in the movie because the audio commentary mentioned it in her first scene (Kirk hands her his jacket and she wanders around looking for somewhere to put it), but apart from that one moment I've never actually noticed her at all. Perhaps you were watching with ... other agendas?
Read somewhere that, sometime between the series and the movies, Trek guest star William Campbell had William Shatner come to his home to discuss some idea for a project. Campbell was waiting for the reaction of the neighborhood kids when Captain Kirk himself approached his door.
Alas, Shatner chose to baldly go, and the kids took no notice of him.
No agenda, you have my assurances! I don't want to retype everything, again. I simply encourage you to watch the movie at your next opportunity ... and view it with an objective eye. It's the only way to be sure ...I know she was in the movie because the audio commentary mentioned it in her first scene (Kirk hands her his jacket and she wanders around looking for somewhere to put it), but apart from that one moment I've never actually noticed her at all. Perhaps you were watching with ... other agendas?
I thought the only way to be sure was to drop a few nuclear bombs.
He's still an oblivious asshole.
He "apologized" for someone not handling his business expenses...for the highest budgeted trek film since STTMP. Those men are Ralph Winter and Harve Bennett that he threw under the bus.
He "apologized" for someone not handling his business expenses...for the highest budgeted trek film since STTMP. Those men are Ralph Winter and Harve Bennett that he threw under the bus.
I believe I've made 3 attempts to watch since 2008. Once when I tried to show my wife the "worst" ST movie. Once when I was showing my stepdaughter trek episodes and movies that I hardly ever watched (she regretted being curious). The last time was for the new bluray set I bought, thinking the format might make it bearable. I didn't make it through any of the attempts. The closest was with the bluray where I got a 1/4 of the way through and just fast forwarded through the rest and may have fallen asleep..I don't recall exactly now because I was in a feverish state.
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Star Trek V wasn't that bad. I still think they just need to do a "Special Edition" of that film and fix all of the FX.
It wouldn't affect the Temporal Prime Directive. He was a man "out of time", but he didn't time travel in the traditional sense. Once he stepped out of the Nexus, he became a man of the 24th century. There was no way he could return to the 23rd century, because that would have changed time. The people of the 24th century could be told what he did to save that world. There would be no reason to hide it.
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