Nope. One person did on his private ship.
And the TNG had holographic displays. Production limits limited their use.
Will We Ever See The 1990s Star Trek Aesthetic Again? Or Hear that “humm” Sound When No One Speaks?
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And the TNG had holographic displays. Production limits limited their use.
I bet you could find 12 photos of humans who look equally as diverse.
The very conceit that all the peoples of a single Star Trek species must look a certain [same] way is pretty fucking ridiculous.
The very conceit that all the peoples of a single Star Trek species must look a certain [same] way is pretty fucking ridiculous.
The TMP one is the worst, followed by Kor, Kang and Koloth.
Come on, Bob the Discount Klingon (AKA Kras) for the win.
He at least makes me feel better about my own receding hair line.
I agree with this. It's not just familiarity...the D bridge had a very distinctive design, with the horseshoe console and the command chairs grouped under it. The E bridge had nothing so distinctive about it...it was very unmemorably generic.
It's just so beige. Gives me anxiety just looking at it.
Everybody brings up the beige...very memorable, isn't it?
Nauseating I guess is one way to be remembered. Like how I never go to a restaurant again even after 20 years.
And so dull. I appreciate that they were trying to show progress from TOS, but the bridge is supposed to be the ship’s nerve center, the beating heart of our amazing space adventures ... and they go with a sea of beige carpet, empty walls of IKEA drawers and a handful of unattended consoles stuck in the back. It’s a sign of the franchise losing itself in its own mythology, rather than prioritizing being a dramatic television production.
Not to mention the bridge design doesn’t make a lick of sense as a work environment. I don’t know who has it worse — the people who have to slump in the spine-destroying chairs or those who have to stand up for their entire shift. I’d rather have the Burke chairs.
Objection! Disco Klingons are different from the Berman-era ones but the makeup is far better. No identical perm wigs, cheesy teeth or pie heads. TNG/DS9/ENT Klingons had long become caricatures.
I use SteamVR with those exact wraparound hologram consoles and they're very practical and easy to use.
Uh-huh. Funny, since at the time TNG premiered, a common complaint among fandom was that instead of coming up with their own title theme, they just reused the opening theme from TMP. This gets generally forgotten these days since due to TNG's subsequent popularity that theme is associated with TNG primarily. I give you DS9 did have a pretty damn good opening theme, but your assessment of the themes for the current shows is way off. Disco's is okay, though I'll admit it could have been better. But Picard's is beautiful and majestic and fits the show and its tone perfectly.
Funny thing about the CRT screens, they were not present in TNG at all. That was something DS9 went all in on, the feeling at the time was using actual screens instead of fake fictional ones would give the show a more realistic look. Instead, it made the show more obviously dated. But putting that aside, there are many other aspects of design that make things dated, such as the stacks of computer pads that have to be carried around the ship instead of some sort of e-mail system. How can you even blame that one on production? It would have been much cheaper to have them talk about sending something through the computer than it was to make so many computer pad props.
Everything about the shows is very distinctively 90s. This was even worked in as a joke on an episode of Lower Decks showing a flashback scene set at DS9 where everyone was given 90s hairstyles for the scene.
Many of the aesthetic decisions made in Disco's first season came as a result of Bryan Fuller wanting to reinvent Star Trek's wheel. The fact that he was fired and the second season walked back almost all those decisions (where financially feasible) should make it clear how much of a rousing success they were considered.
They're extrapolating based on what is possible with computer displays today and projecting how that might look hundreds of years in the future. The reasons it seems leaps and bounds beyond what was seen in TNG is because our own computer technology is now leaps and bounds beyond what it was in the 1980s and 1990s, which was used as the basis for the computer displays in TNG. Real world computers and technology have advanced beyond what would be considered futuristic when TNG, DS9 and Voyager were made, and indeed this was already an issue when Enterprise was in production. The shows either make something which will be considered futuristic by today's standards, or they depict something laughably primitive simply because it's consistent with canon. Obviously today's production teams are choosing the former over the latter.
There's no evidence he was fired. All we know is that he left to work on another show.
Which he also subsequently left.
I have a hard time believing more than a small minority of fans would complain about the TMP theme being used for TNG. James Bond fans weren’t upset when they reused the James Bond theme when they rebooted the series. I just don’t buy that.
TNG, DS9 and Voyager all had beautiful themes. Discovery and Picard’s theme aren’t memorable in the least. They certainly don’t feel like Star Trek. It’s fine music. But like Enterprises awful theme song, it isn’t Trek. Star Trek themes are big and bold and memorable.
“laughably primitive”? What?? How is a touchscreen display primitive? Humans will reach a design plateau when it comes to these things. Not because other ideas won’t be possible but because they aren’t practical. Think of how cool Microsoft Kinect seemed at first. But then people realized they’d rather use a controller. Or Google Glass. It seemed cool at first. Until we realized having something right in your eye like that causes strain & isn’t for mass production. Humans will always want to have a sense of feedback to our technology. Tactile sensations.
Again holographic displays like that MAKE NO SENSE. Think about it in practical terms. It’s form over function. Tactile display will always be a thing. Any futuristic show that has incorporeal floating holograms for consoles is doing it for the effect not the practical application. That video I posted above has far better ideas about what would’ve worked better. Picard took the lazy way. Humans will never, ever, ever utilize technology like the hologram consoles in Picard. Think about it for more than 5 seconds. Will it be possible? Most definitely. But just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it will be adapted. There’s lots of cool tech ideas that seem cool and are possible until we realize...we just don’t like it because(insert reason here).
As for something like the multiple PADD devices, I’d rather them figure out a way to explain or fix it than to completely replace it. Something like the bureaucracy of Star Fleet mandated multiple PADD devices due to the inefficient non standardization of Starfleet subsections. So one PADD for medical, on PADD for tactile, one PADD for security etc. They did this for redundancy purposes. I don’t know. But I think it would’ve been better to explain it with a contrived “Can you believe we use to have multiple PADDs for every sector of Starfleet? Thank god they standardized all PADD devices in 2387 so now we don’t have to fumble about with all these different devices! Now that’s what I call progress Ensign!”. See. There a simple fix that’s a wink at fans who know how silly it is. Like how they explained the difference between Klingons in TOS compared to TNG/DS9.
You streamVR? And that’s the same as flying in space where you are tossed around and can’t things are shaking and moving? No. You also have a headset on. It’s a little different lol. Imagine driving an actual car with a steering wheel you can’t feel. You can’t rest your hands on. You think that’s practical? Seriously?
Also...VR is a niche market. Everyone thought it was the next big thing. But it’s not. Turns out a lot of people don’t like having a screen go over their eyes and have their senses essentially blinded. Even augmented reality makes most people uncomfortable.
Doesn't mean people can't adapt. Touch screens used to be irritating and inconsistent. Now ubiquitous.
Tech evolves.
Tech evolves.
And TrekTech should evolve with it.
I’m sure Microsoft thought the same thing when they launched the Kinect. “People will adapt”. Guess what? They didn’t.
And explore possibilities. Technology is not a straight line and people try different things. Use of holographic controls strikes me as something individuals might try, especially a privateer like Rios.
So why not experiment just because some find it impractical?
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