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Will We Ever See Star Trek Prime Again?
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Without this "silly alternate timeline" as you put it Star Trek would be dead.
I highly doubt even with the success of the movie they make another series. Not that I wouldn't like to see one.
I Think what is probably going to happen is a brief respite from the erosion that has taken place in the recent years. I hope I'm wrong but it would take alot to really and truly revive the series away from the decline it has seen.
Before you go off and BASH the work that has been done consider.
1. Where was trek going before they made this movie.
2. Where were the fans.
3. What about the number of fans.
I could go on but I trust you get my point.
Do you hate it so much you would rather see the series dead?
Sure a Original Universe movie would have been nice. But what good would it have done? It may have catered to the fans maybe brought some fresh blood in but the overall sense that trek is dying wouldn't have stopped.
I think the bottomline is this.
The series needed this. To revive it and hopefully give it some MUCH NEEDED new life.
I highly doubt even with the success of the movie they make another series. Not that I wouldn't like to see one.
I Think what is probably going to happen is a brief respite from the erosion that has taken place in the recent years. I hope I'm wrong but it would take alot to really and truly revive the series away from the decline it has seen.
Before you go off and BASH the work that has been done consider.
1. Where was trek going before they made this movie.
2. Where were the fans.
3. What about the number of fans.
I could go on but I trust you get my point.
Do you hate it so much you would rather see the series dead?
Sure a Original Universe movie would have been nice. But what good would it have done? It may have catered to the fans maybe brought some fresh blood in but the overall sense that trek is dying wouldn't have stopped.
I think the bottomline is this.
The series needed this. To revive it and hopefully give it some MUCH NEEDED new life.
I don't think we'll see oldTrek again. Perhaps as a flashback episode in a future series.
I think that a REAL reboot would have been a better choice. There is a certain irony that the one incarnation of Trek that was reviled by most fans, Enterprise, is now the only one that is still valid. How cruel is that.
The other problem with going this route is that they are also tethered to the outdated 20th/21st century in the Haroldverse. A clean break would mean that that history would be open and adjusted as necessary.
As a Trek fan though, one does have to wonder what happened during First Contact?
The other problem with going this route is that they are also tethered to the outdated 20th/21st century in the Haroldverse. A clean break would mean that that history would be open and adjusted as necessary.
As a Trek fan though, one does have to wonder what happened during First Contact?
Nope, everything we saw that happened in Enterprise must have changed as well. Think about it, most of the major story arcs in Enterprise were based on a temporal cold war taking place in the 29th century or whatever and future guys communication with Archer. If the timeline/reality has been completely altered by interference in Kirks time then future guy will probably never exist and the temporal cold war might never happen. Hence the events of Enterprise would be altered as well. Archer and the crew will still exist in some form, but the missions they went on will be completely different because they will never have had contact with Future guy.
Or to put it another way, Archer is at point A, Kirk is at point B, Nero is at point C and Future Guy is at point D. Most of what happened in point A revolves around Future Guy communicating with them from point D. Nero went back and changed the events of point B, completely changing everything that took place after it, but also before it because point D has been changed as well.
^ You might be onto something here. Good thinking.
As for the O.P.... no, I don't think Trek Prime will ever make it back to the screen, big or small. And that's okay. I've had enough of that, as good as it's been.
As for the O.P.... no, I don't think Trek Prime will ever make it back to the screen, big or small. And that's okay. I've had enough of that, as good as it's been.
Sadly, I think that the original timeline is gone and never to be seen again, which seems to have been the clear intent of JJ et al. I personally found the movie to be a disappointment. I felt like they were thumbing their noses at the fans, in essence saying that "your Star Trek is dead." The pitch to adolescents was so strong it made me wonder what I was doing there at times. I am a lifelong fan of all the TV series, and I did not feel that I was the target audience. Somewhere between the motorcycles, muscle cars, Budweiser and Nokia ads, and profanity I began to feel alienated from the movie. I walked out of the film just scratching my head, and am still unsure of what to make of it all.
Honestly, they did Shatner a favor by not having him in this one.
Honestly, they did Shatner a favor by not having him in this one.
Star Trek Enterprise is part of the "original" universe.
Edit. Oh wait I forgot its part of Timeline Prime and this one.
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Just posted a note over in the Fan Prod forum about this:
What's to stop Paramount licensing the fan prods to make STPrime stories? Like the BBC does with Dr Who - the audio adventures are licensed by the BBC, and they can use any Doctor except the 2 most recent. They get the original cast in and everything. The guy who does the Dalek voices on the TV started in the audio adventures.
For a small fee P'mount can allow the fan prods to raise money to really do a good job, the proviso being they don't go near nuST except to acknowledge that Spock and Romulus are gone (if they make TNG or later stories).
What's to stop Paramount licensing the fan prods to make STPrime stories? Like the BBC does with Dr Who - the audio adventures are licensed by the BBC, and they can use any Doctor except the 2 most recent. They get the original cast in and everything. The guy who does the Dalek voices on the TV started in the audio adventures.
For a small fee P'mount can allow the fan prods to raise money to really do a good job, the proviso being they don't go near nuST except to acknowledge that Spock and Romulus are gone (if they make TNG or later stories).
I am sorry you didn't get as much excitement out of the movie as I did.
However, I do have one nitpick: I don't think TOS' target audience was 40+. Most people who grew up with TOS are at least that age now, it's been a few decades, after all. So it's only expected to feel a little bit alienated if you grew up with TOS; the new movie targets the same audience TOS did: 16-30, the viewer's age is the only thing that differs.
No. Never.
As I said elsewhere: the TNG-era Trek factory has been shut down, and its fans have been laid off.
People who keep referring to this movie as Star Trek XI are fooling themselves. Its title is Star Trek, full stop.
From now on, the first ten movies never happened.
I think the Prime universe should be abandoned. It's so full that any story is more about being consistent with the canon than actual storytelling, and they suffer as a result. It greatly limits what the writers can do. I like what Abrams did to Vulcan because it shows he has the good sense to recognize when it's time to start over.
That's funny, because I distinctly remember watching them.
Perhaps a stay in the Ministry of Love will change your mind.
Oldthinkers unbellyfeel NuTrek. Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia.
In any case...the bright side, as I see it, is that by creating their own universe, TIIC can't do any more damage to the "real" universe.
I mean, let's face it: Insurrection and Nemesis were not very good movies, and while Voyager and even Enterprise had their moments, they were not very good TV series, overall.
If the people in charge of this franchise are going to fuck things up, then I prefer them to fuck up their own little alternate reality.
(And I say that as someone who enjoyed the new movie)
I hear you, and you make a good point. Still, nobody will say that this new Star Trek is "too cerebral," and that is something I missed.
Give it time. Once a few movies are out and they'll feel comfortable starting a series, I'm sure the depth of stories will increase.
T'Paul, I have to disagree with you. The movie was a reboot from the opening scene. The villain, Nero, cut a new one.
This was a wise move on the part of Abrams. Everyday movie fans won't have questions. The followers of the series also don't have to worry about Kirk's locker combination in the 16th episode. We fans are told that we are on ground zero. So we have a franchise that......SPOILERS
Has Vulcans as a remnant on a colony world. Surviving Vulcans onward may not be so smug.
The Romulans are well known to the Federation long before Kirk takes the Captain's chair. Uhura knows all three dialects of their language.
Spock's mother is dead.
Kirk is never an Ensign and doesn't serve on the Farragut.
All in all interesting possibilities for the franchise.
Of course in the old Trekverse we can ask, were Nero and his crew the ONLY surviving Romulans? They did have an Empire so there were bound to be colony worlds. It can be explored in Treklit/Fanfic. I think the old Trek, as far as movies and TV series are concerned, has been boxed to use another SF show's terminology.
Not to be obnoxious or anything, but I can't believe the Nokia ad's put you off. It was like one second long. That's really one of those things that don't matter at all and don't have anything to do with the film's overall quality.
I have posted this in other threads, but since threads are getting buried so quickly and someone mentioned First Contact...
Even though it is a new universe, there can still be elements of the original. Khan and the Botany bay, Doomsday Machine, etc when the timeline catches up to the orginal "5 year mission".
In this reality Kirk is really the first Captain of the Enterprise, according to TOS, Spock served with Pike for 11 years and Captain April (TAS, I think) had the Enterpise before him. So there is alot of years before the timeline of the original 5 years mission even begins.The timeline can always "repair itself" as is a popular Scence Fiction staple. For example, we know the events of First Contact where not altered, as the Earth would be full of Borg had Nero's actions rippled that far into the future.
Also you can look at this as old Spock's future, which is THE timeline.
Even though it is a new universe, there can still be elements of the original. Khan and the Botany bay, Doomsday Machine, etc when the timeline catches up to the orginal "5 year mission".
In this reality Kirk is really the first Captain of the Enterprise, according to TOS, Spock served with Pike for 11 years and Captain April (TAS, I think) had the Enterpise before him. So there is alot of years before the timeline of the original 5 years mission even begins.The timeline can always "repair itself" as is a popular Scence Fiction staple. For example, we know the events of First Contact where not altered, as the Earth would be full of Borg had Nero's actions rippled that far into the future.
Also you can look at this as old Spock's future, which is THE timeline.
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