Will We Ever See Star Trek Prime Again?

[dHunter333]

in my ideal world, we'd get 3 movies from abrahams, ending our star trek phase 2 (i'm calling it in my head, i know ur thinking the potential 2nd star trek series but i'm referring to abrahams new trek "alternate reality" as he called it)

star trek prime being the original trek we know, both based off ent, prime being TOS TNG DS9 VOY

phase 2 being ENT + abrahams


i relaly want to put them both together but cant



ANYWAY
will we see star trek prime ever again?
i'd love to see a trilogy from abrahams and them go back to prime, another series set 15 years after nemesis (or whatever real time has passed would be cool)

if done well, good writing, good stories, good cameos (not just cheap corny ones)

anyway, i JUST saw the movie and...

 

[indranee]

there are always possibilities...

 

[T'Paul]

You know those fan videos that take years and years to make a single TOS-esque episode?

I think you see where I'm going.

 

[The Mirrorball Man]

No, I don't think we will.

I could be wrong, however. Sean Connery did play in Never Say Never Again.

 

[hamudm]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

No, this reboot was truly the only option. JJ Abrams is certainly not infallible; however, he has amazing vision and he takes risks. He took a gamble here and it paid off in spades. I have ZERO hesitation in handing this man the reigns to finally begin telling stories that are not suffocated by cannonical slavery!

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

 

[T'Paul]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

No, this reboot was truly the only option. JJ Abrams is certainly not infallible; however, he has amazing vision and he takes risks. He took a gamble here and it paid off in spades. I have ZERO hesitation in handing this man the reigns to finally begin telling stories that are not suffocated by cannonical slavery!

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

I agree, which is why the movie should have been a real reboot. Now they're stuck with all kinds of garbage from the old series and movies.

 

[urbandk]

I think it was the right choice.

Best of both worlds.

 

[hamudm]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

No, this reboot was truly the only option. JJ Abrams is certainly not infallible; however, he has amazing vision and he takes risks. He took a gamble here and it paid off in spades. I have ZERO hesitation in handing this man the reigns to finally begin telling stories that are not suffocated by cannonical slavery!

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

I agree, which is why the movie should have been a real reboot. Now they're stuck with all kinds of garbage from the old series and movies.

I don't see how, as long as the writers don't decide to have Picard time warp back with the Enterprise-H or K or something. Due to the events in the 2009 movie, everything's changed right down to the characters anyway. Kirk grew up without a father, thus changing his character somewhat already. Not to mention that Vulcan, a big part of the UFP, is no more. I'm subscribing to the butterfly effect theory and am assuming we'll just see new stuff. Old canon won't be tethered to the new reboot unless the writers choose to do so.

 

[T'Paul]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

No, this reboot was truly the only option. JJ Abrams is certainly not infallible; however, he has amazing vision and he takes risks. He took a gamble here and it paid off in spades. I have ZERO hesitation in handing this man the reigns to finally begin telling stories that are not suffocated by cannonical slavery!

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

I agree, which is why the movie should have been a real reboot. Now they're stuck with all kinds of garbage from the old series and movies.

I don't see how, as long as the writers don't decide to have Picard time warp back with the Enterprise-H or K or something. Due to the events in the 2009 movie, everything's changed right down to the characters anyway. Kirk grew up without a father, thus changing his character somewhat already. Not to mention that Vulcan, a big part of the UFP, is no more. I'm subscribing to the butterfly effect theory and am assuming we'll just see new stuff. Old canon won't be tethered to the new reboot unless the writers choose to do so.

There's still Borg chilling out in the Delta Quadrant. There's still whale people doing their thing who are going to be looking for some whales in a few years. Vulcans are still making babies with humans. Spock can still go zooming around the Sun and travel back in time whenever he wants to.

The Star Trek universe has some ridiculous parts and this movie was a chance to get rid of them. They didn't.

 

[Izzy]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

So, long time lurker, but this post provoked me to register.

I give a shit about the original universe. I'm surprised to see a Star Trek fan give it up so easily. One couldn't have fallen in love with the message, characters, or ambiance of Star Trek without the plot or the back story. To climb about and claim to not give a shit seems rather irresponsible.

What happened to the franchise during the last couple of years had not much to do with canon. It was direction-less and uninspired because of the people who were creating, not the world they had to play with.

The aftermath of the Dominion War, a continued exploration of the universe, heck, yes, even a prequel could have all been done with taste and energy. It wasn't and it wasn't because of canon issues.

This is all besides the point; I'd like to see that universe be explored further. That's what hooked me onto Star Trek. Now while I will give the new universe a chance, until it has a full universe to latch onto and explore, it is just one movie. If things go well, this universe could expand give us a whole new canon that is just as valued by its fans as the previous one.

Let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

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As for me personally, I want to see if the new universe has a place for a man like Picard. Not necessarily his character...I think it would be extremely difficult to replace Patrick Stewart. But I'd like to see a captain that thinks, is sophisticated...maybe not in the immediate aftermath of this movie, but certainly at some future point in time. This new ST universe would be badly served if it didn't have a place for a character like that.

 

[T'Paul]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

So, long time lurker, but this post provoked me to register.

I give a shit about the original universe. I'm surprised to see a Star Trek fan give it up so easily. One couldn't have fallen in love with the message, characters, or ambiance of Star Trek without the plot or the back story. To climb about and claim to not give a shit seems rather irresponsible.

What happened to the franchise during the last couple of years had not much to do with canon. It was direction-less and uninspired because of the people who were creating, not the world they had to play with.

The aftermath of the Dominion War, a continued exploration of the universe, heck, yes, even a prequel could have all been done with taste and energy. It wasn't and it wasn't because of canon issues.

This is all besides the point; I'd like to see that universe be explored further. That's what hooked me onto Star Trek. Now while I will give the new universe a chance, until it has a full universe to latch onto and explore, it is just one movie. If things go well, this universe could expand give us a whole new canon that is just as valued by its fans as the previous one.

Let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

---
As for me personally, I want to see if the new universe has a place for a man like Picard. Not necessarily his character...I think it would be extremely difficult to replace Patrick Stewart. But I'd like to see a captain that thinks, is sophisticated...maybe not in the immediate aftermath of this movie, but certainly at some future point in time. This new ST universe would be badly served if it didn't have a place for a character like that.

Great first post.

 

[MvRojo]

I really, really hope that this does not signal the end of the original universe. It's been developed so much that it can't be just left on the wayside.

I'm glad that, at the very least, we're still getting comics set in the original universe.

 

[Admiral Fail]

Honestly, I'm SICK TO DEATH of that universe. It gave us some good shows and 2 EXRUCIATINGLY shitty ones. Not to mention that every odd movie was generally garbage anyway. They simply ran out of ideas because the universe was being strangled by the bloated carcass of it's canon that was perpetuated by its obsessive compulsive fans.

We've already gone to the past (i.e. ST: ENT) and the ball was dropped. Go too far into the future and and the stories would be too disconnected from humanity. I.e. I'm guessing humans, 1000 years in the future will be nothing like us today (socially, physically, philosophically) and as an audience it would be difficult, if not impossible to relate to it. Not to mention a whole new slew of ridiculous technobabble that would accompany it.

Being a fan of ST since I was a kid, now at the age of 27, it had lost its magic; Star Trek was boring. I now see a reborn franchise that is robust and takes us away from the cheeseball dialogue about flux capacitors.

Star Trek prime? Who gives a shit?

So, long time lurker, but this post provoked me to register.

I give a shit about the original universe. I'm surprised to see a Star Trek fan give it up so easily. One couldn't have fallen in love with the message, characters, or ambiance of Star Trek without the plot or the back story. To climb about and claim to not give a shit seems rather irresponsible.

What happened to the franchise during the last couple of years had not much to do with canon. It was direction-less and uninspired because of the people who were creating, not the world they had to play with.

The aftermath of the Dominion War, a continued exploration of the universe, heck, yes, even a prequel could have all been done with taste and energy. It wasn't and it wasn't because of canon issues.

This is all besides the point; I'd like to see that universe be explored further. That's what hooked me onto Star Trek. Now while I will give the new universe a chance, until it has a full universe to latch onto and explore, it is just one movie. If things go well, this universe could expand give us a whole new canon that is just as valued by its fans as the previous one.

Let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

---
As for me personally, I want to see if the new universe has a place for a man like Picard. Not necessarily his character...I think it would be extremely difficult to replace Patrick Stewart. But I'd like to see a captain that thinks, is sophisticated...maybe not in the immediate aftermath of this movie, but certainly at some future point in time. This new ST universe would be badly served if it didn't have a place for a character like that.

Well fuckin said. TNG was what truly made me love Star Trek.

 

[Red Ranger]

To answer the O.P., only by watching the old eps. -- RR

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

This is all besides the point; I'd like to see that universe be explored further. That's what hooked me onto Star Trek. Now while I will give the new universe a chance, until it has a full universe to latch onto and explore, it is just one movie. If things go well, this universe could expand give us a whole new canon that is just as valued by its fans as the previous one.

It's not like they blew up the whole galaxy, just Vulcan. Cardassia is still there, the Borg are in the Delta quadrant, Klingons haven't vanished.. really the new universe isn't all that new.

 

[Alpha Romeo]

I think you can see the old universe in books, comics, etc. Besides, the time line may be changed, but who is to say the stories will not be better in the changed timeline???

 

[Cky]

I don't really want to see Spock Prime anymore. The thing that made me like this film more was the fact that we now have a clean(ish) slate. A younger crew, a brand new Enterprise, and a whole galaxy that has (or will eventually) been effected by changes within the film. I mean, the Borg are obviously the major threat in the whole of Star Trek, and when they first meet the Borg in TNG because of Q they weren't ready. But surely as the Enterprise has been delayed it would have lasting effects on later Enterprise's (not to mention Kirk's horribly wrote death in Generations) and by the time the Enterprise-D (if it's even created) is created, she could be more than a match for the Borg... or simply get assimilated and Borg now having greater tech.

Getting too far head of myself, I know. I just like to think of these things.

(I'm hoping Voyager never happens, or the TNG films for example).

 

[JoeZhang]

I think people are getting hung up on the internal fiction - if JJ decides that in the next film he wants to have the crew fight the borg, that's what will happen regardless of ""how it should have played out".

Will we see influences and old characters from the old star trek, sure - but we aren't going back, that's over.

 

[Dancing Doctor]

So, long time lurker, but this post provoked me to register.

I give a shit about the original universe. I'm surprised to see a Star Trek fan give it up so easily. One couldn't have fallen in love with the message, characters, or ambiance of Star Trek without the plot or the back story. To climb about and claim to not give a shit seems rather irresponsible.

What happened to the franchise during the last couple of years had not much to do with canon. It was direction-less and uninspired because of the people who were creating, not the world they had to play with.

The aftermath of the Dominion War, a continued exploration of the universe, heck, yes, even a prequel could have all been done with taste and energy. It wasn't and it wasn't because of canon issues.

This is all besides the point; I'd like to see that universe be explored further. That's what hooked me onto Star Trek. Now while I will give the new universe a chance, until it has a full universe to latch onto and explore, it is just one movie. If things go well, this universe could expand give us a whole new canon that is just as valued by its fans as the previous one.

Let's not throw the baby with the bathwater.

I couldn't agree more. And this new Trek has me concerned that people just getting into it from this movie won't be able to enjoy Star Trek Prime because it's "boring" or that it isn't a spawn of J.J. Abrams. And while the books, comics, etc. are great (I'm a giant Trek Lit fan), part of what made me want to see this movie was its potential. Now that I have seen it (and don't get me wrong, it was good), I'm very concerned. It's certainly not "my dad's Star Trek", and it's not even really mine. I'm "cautiously hopeful" about the direction the movie takes everything. However, I'm also not willing to just let STP die off. Maybe I'm just an obsessive-compulsive fan, but I rather liked the prime reality.

As for me personally, I want to see if the new universe has a place for a man like Picard. Not necessarily his character...I think it would be extremely difficult to replace Patrick Stewart. But I'd like to see a captain that thinks, is sophisticated...maybe not in the immediate aftermath of this movie, but certainly at some future point in time. This new ST universe would be badly served if it didn't have a place for a character like that.

Pike came pretty close to what you're describing, but he's an Admiral now. Maybe this Kirk will be more mature because of what's happened to him.

 

[Geckothan]

No, this reboot was truly the only option. JJ Abrams is certainly not infallible; however, he has amazing vision and he takes risks. He took a gamble here and it paid off in spades. I have ZERO hesitation in handing this man the reigns to finally begin telling stories that are not suffocated by cannonical slavery!

J.J. Abrams.. amazing vision? The guy wears glasses! Bad joke aside, you're giving him too much credit. It doesn't take much creativity to say "hey let's take an established franchise universe and like make some major changes and stuff and make a movie about it!". He didn't do anything to warrant people treating him like some amazing visionary, in fact none of his work makes him worthy of that description.

But on topic, at this point the damage is done, and I'd rather see them make the best of this silly alternate timeline than rape the real one even more. I personally hated the idea of having another timeline, it was very unnecessary and they could've easily made a good movie without screwing around with the universe and using some contrived "LOL WELL WE MADE AN ALTERNATE TIMELINE" excuse to explain it away, but that said, there's only so many stories left to tell in the real timeline (yes I consider this new one to be "fake", but not necessarily inferior) before you encroach upon the limits of the established canon.

In short, the damage has already been done and instead of breaking the canon of the real timeline, it's probably for the best in the long run that they don't ruin it any further and just start fresh. That said, no more dodgy, generic big-budget summer blockbusters please. They've already made one, and hopefully that's got enough of the average 2-digit IQ movie-going crowd interested enough to be able to pull them into the theaters for future installments without having to resort to silly action movie clichés and overall summer blockbuster genericness. Hopefully some of those mindless idiots who just watched the movie because it's the "OMG LATEST BIG BUDGET MOVIE" will feel compelled to watch some "real" (or "old" as they'd probably put it) Trek as well.