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Will "V" be returning?

TV autumn programmning & new series

what is going on with the scheduling?
I know what you mean I think between Labor Day weekend and sweeps and World Series baseball it really messes with new shows starting. Couple that with networks only allowing a new show sometimes 2 weeks to find it's audience and then cancelling it because the Nielsen ratings numbers were not good enough it is very competitive.
 
Sounds like they're officially trying to kill off the series without being obvious about it.

January is a much better time to launch. As other have quoted, November really risks shows getting lost in all the other shows settling down. Viewers expect shows to start in January now and they're more likely to look for returning shows to turn up then. Starting in January didn't exactly hurt 24 or American Idol.
 
^Now that you mention that, what is going on with the scheduling? When I was growing up I remember shows starting in September, ending in May/June, and re-runs during the summer. Now it seems like we got a couple months here and there, then a completely new schedule? What sparked the change? Or am I just seeing things?

No, it's been changing for years. I think it was cable that started it. Cable networks began premiering shows during summer, or during the winter hiatus for network shows, so that they wouldn't be in direct competition with new episodes of the network shows. And when that worked, the main networks realized they needed to have year-round programming so that they wouldn't be outcompeted by cable in the summer and winter.
 
Very dangerous game they're playing.. such non-established shows can't live off the core demographic who'll watch anything Sci-Fi because that crowd is too small.

It needs casual and mainstream viewers and those who've watched the 1st season may have forgotten about it by now or just become plain disinterested.. they may stumble upon it mid-2nd season but since the show is story arc themed missing episodes makes future episodes almost unwatchable so they made decide to not bother anymore with it at all.
 
Sounds like they're officially trying to kill off the series without being obvious about it.

January is a much better time to launch. As other have quoted, November really risks shows getting lost in all the other shows settling down. Viewers expect shows to start in January now and they're more likely to look for returning shows to turn up then. Starting in January didn't exactly hurt 24 or American Idol.
They should've launched sooner then. A scripted series like V cannot hold an audience as well as something like American Idol where there's no storyline and the "characters" are just the judges and poor saps who think they have talent.

24 I think suffered from decline in part because a year long hiatus like this from the last season and the next is too much.

I remember like The Klingon Ghoul where the schedule was more or less stable and consistent to the one we get these days where you don't know what's going on with a series.
 
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How much is that going to mess things up. Are they not already filming? Changing the pacing and structure downward from 13 - 10 episodes could mess some things up.
 
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How much is that going to mess things up. Are they not already filming? Changing the pacing and structure downward from 13 - 10 episodes could mess some things up.

Cutting the season by 3 episodes should hopefully trim the crap. :lol: This show is very padded and meandering. It would be nice to see them tighten it up a bit.
 
And it's not like the show could get any more messed up than it already is. Less of it is bound to be an improvement.
 
Sounds like they're officially trying to kill off the series without being obvious about it.

January is a much better time to launch. As other have quoted, November really risks shows getting lost in all the other shows settling down. Viewers expect shows to start in January now and they're more likely to look for returning shows to turn up then. Starting in January didn't exactly hurt 24 or American Idol.
They should've launched sooner then. A scripted series like V cannot hold an audience as well as something like American Idol where there's no storyline and the "characters" are just the judges and poor saps who think they have talent.

24 I think suffered from decline in part because a year long hiatus like this from the last season and the next is too much.

I remember like The Klingon Ghoul where the schedule was more or less stable and consistent to the one we get these days where you don't know what's going on with a series.

And you also remember fewer cable channels competing with first run programming and months of reruns. There are 39 weeks from September through May. Even back in your "good old days" shows only had ~24 episodes. That leaves you 15 weeks of reruns or preemptions.

Viewers don't watch repeats(especially for serialized programming), and you complain about long breaks in the middle of the run. So the only option left is to shift when shows start. You can run a show from Sept - Jan/Feb, you can run a show from Jan/Feb to May/Jun, or you can run a show from Sept - May/Jun with breaks. But you can't run from Sept - May/Jun with no breaks. There are too many weeks to fill.
 
Nope, you can't run that entire time without breaks. No one said they couldn't do reruns interspersed in the season. However, having reruns for a few weeks then new episodes again sure beats 10-12 episodes then 6-8 months, sometimes a year of nothing then a continuation where you've either forgotten the series existed, forgot what was going on or just found something better to do.

At least when a full season is aired (20-24 episodes) roughly within a consistent and reliable time period, you're not left with wondering whether the series was cancelled or if it's worth coming back to at all. And given how fast networks are to cancel a series before it's even finished half a season these days, you're more apt to just assume it was cancelled and fullfil that prophecy.
 
British shows have gotten by just fine for decades with seasons as short at 6 episodes. Audiences there have had more time to get used to that model. And it's been done this way long enough now in the US that people should be getting the hang of it here too. I mean, US cable shows have had short seasons for quite a few years.
 
That's true but it's also different in that most British shows are referred to as series and that they often end on a final note, not always the cliffhanger model most U.S. shows still use.

My knowledge of British shows is more limited but my experience with them is they're more or less self-contained in each season/series than U.S. ones which rely on the cliffhanger hook to tempt people back. Even if it's become a tired cliche and failing to work because there are doubts the series will even be back.

That ties back into networks being more quick to cancel a series than the ones in the U.K. too. At least there you have a pretty good idea all episodes of a given series will air instead of wondering if it's going to get yanked 2-4 episodes into it.
 
The show shouldn't have gotten a second season and ABC is now seeing that. So they cut the episodes ordered from 13 to 10.
 
Looks like season 2 will be airing on the 4th of january.

Season 2 is now being cut from 13 episodes to 10 episodes.

It'll still suck though, right? I mean, I can take these changes, but let's not go too far. ;)

I at least hope they have the resistance - such as it is - behave smarter next season. With how stupidly they act now they would have been lizard food long ago without plot contrivances to save the day.
 
That's true but it's also different in that most British shows are referred to as series and that they often end on a final note, not always the cliffhanger model most U.S. shows still use.

My knowledge of British shows is more limited but my experience with them is they're more or less self-contained in each season/series than U.S. ones which rely on the cliffhanger hook to tempt people back. Even if it's become a tired cliche and failing to work because there are doubts the series will even be back.

That ties back into networks being more quick to cancel a series than the ones in the U.K. too. At least there you have a pretty good idea all episodes of a given series will air instead of wondering if it's going to get yanked 2-4 episodes into it.

So let me get this straight. British shows are self contained and have larger breaks, yet people still expect them to come back and find them just fine. While American shows have shorter breaks and cliff hangers that indicate the show is coming back, yet people forget about them? Seems like you may want to refine that argument a bit.
 
I mean that they have cliffhangers which are meant to say it will be back, whether it will be or not. It's the standard ending for a season, whether it's returning or not because it's often not until the season is over that they know if it will be returning. When you take that into account with the very long time between new episodes and the networks quick to cancel a series (these days they're lucky to make it past 3 or 4 episodes) it makes sense people will forget or just assume a series was cancelled. 13 episodes and then suddenly nothing for 6 months? It used to be a sign a network had no faith in the show and was going to burn off whatever was done and end it during a slow period of the year.

Not hard to understand really. Or are you wanting to argue for the sake of arguing?
 
I mean that they have cliffhangers which are meant to say it will be back, whether it will be or not. It's the standard ending for a season, whether it's returning or not because it's often not until the season is over that they know if it will be returning. When you take that into account with the very long time between new episodes and the networks quick to cancel a series (these days they're lucky to make it past 3 or 4 episodes) it makes sense people will forget or just assume a series was cancelled. 13 episodes and then suddenly nothing for 6 months? It used to be a sign a network had no faith in the show and was going to burn off whatever was done and end it during a slow period of the year.

Not hard to understand really. Or are you wanting to argue for the sake of arguing?

You claimed the UK was different and people didn't forget in the UK. Then you gave reasons that would make people even more likely to forget in the UK, and claimed that was why people didn't forget.

I understand the risks of people forgetting about shows. My only point was that you have yet to explain why this isn't a problem in the UK where even longer breaks are common.
 
I understand the risks of people forgetting about shows. My only point was that you have yet to explain why this isn't a problem in the UK where even longer breaks are common.
Competition and the difficulty and expense of cutting through the ever-increasing babble of noise surrounding us. I don't know what it's like in the UK but in America, I can very easily tell why people forget about shows, because I have to make a special effort to follow shows, by fretting over when and whether Caprica or It's Sunny in Philadelphia or Sons of Anarchy are returning, and I won't do that for any show that I'm not pretty well sold on. It's too much effort.

I read threads here and I check my DVR listings - between the two of them, I manage to figure things out - but what if you're an SoA fan who doesn't visit message boards or have a DVR or care enough to check their DVR listings (and you'd have to have some inkling of when it's coming back to know when to check)? FX runs ads for SoA, but what if you don't watch other FX shows? I never see SoA advertised on billboards, on sides of buses or in magazines. Only big hit shows and new shows get that treatment.

Meanwhile, you do notice the billboard, bus and magazine ads for new shows and maybe something catches your eye. You might not "forget" a show so much as it ratchets down on your priority list as other things jump ahead. There are only so many shows you can devote your free time and attention to, and there's always a new show or 20 clamoring for your attention.
I remember like The Klingon Ghoul where the schedule was more or less stable and consistent to the one we get these days where you don't know what's going on with a series.
Yeah the situation has definitely gotten far more confusing as cable stations have muscled in and thrown everyone's schedule up in the air as everyone frantically tries to counter-program against everyone else and not leave any "dead slots" in the schedule which means they're starting new shows during times that nobody is expecting them. And even worse is taking a show that has a certain run, say July thru Sept, and deciding to run it in the winter or something.

Increasingly, the way networks and cable outlets reach viewers is by advertising on their own channel, so you don't want to leave SoA an orphan by not giving SoA viewers anything to watch the rest of the year and see the SoA ads before it returns. So they'll come up with a new show that seems compatible but everyone else is doing the same thing, so am I going to watch the compatible-with-SoA show which will help inform me when SoA comes back, or will I jump over to AMC and their compatible-with-Breaking-Bad show that will help inform me when Breaking Bad comes back? I can't watch everything so somebody is going to lose.

Viewers don't watch repeats(especially for serialized programming),
People used to watch repeats all the time. That was the glue that held shows together. But then cable started competing, people figured why watch a repeat when they could watch something new on another channel, and the glue came unstuck. Nobody's come up with a new glue, so viewers are just bouncing all over the place untethered.

British shows are self contained and have larger breaks, yet people still expect them to come back and find them just fine.
Huh? If a British show is six episodes and ends, then it's not coming back so nobody needs to find it. So I guess that's one way to solve the problem of disloyal/easily distracted audiences.

But American shows are expected to run for long enough periods to make the start-up investment worthwhile. That's probably why the miniseries format has almost entirely vanished from American TV - it doesn't offer the possibility of running for years, and getting a show that can do that is always the priority because it pays for the majority of your shows, which you know will fail.
 
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