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Will TOS maintain its legendary status as Trek fandom gets younger?

Even if someone doesn't like TOS but likes other things related to Star Trek it's good to have some respect for the original that made it all happen.
It might be nice if everyone felt that way, but for some, TOS might be considered "non-mandatory prologue" as the later shows were their first. Don't get me wrong, I personally will always hold TOS in very high regard even as the series that's my current favorite periodically changes over the years, but I can understand if that is far from the case for others who aren't fans of TOS at all and may even dislike it.
 
I grew up watching TOS (in reruns, in the 80s), but I prefered TNG. I recently did a rewatch of TOS after a long time, and I enjoyed it, but I'd still rather watch the Berman era Treks.
 
I'd argue that the series probably won't be but that the films might - mostly for the reasons stated so far about low production values, outdated views, outdated acting styles etc that may not click with younger people.

The movies, however, being produced in a more contemporary manner would probably be held in higher esteem by that generation and I'd say they will likely be more familiar with them these days
 
I guess the title asks it all. As new generations of fans discover Star Trek (through the current shows, no less), do you believe that TOS will remain respected and loved in the coming decades - or will it fall by the wayside as fans instead look back with nostalgia on "their" Trek (in most cases, not TOS)?
 
DS9 is now dated, ironically, by what was at the time their attempt to be more "realistic." That being CRT screens being so omnipresent everywhere on the show, even on the state of the art Defiant. That was already dating the show in its final season and plasma and LCD screens were becoming commonplace. Voyager is dated by the same issue that dates all the 90s shows, that being computer padds are treated like electronic clipboards rather than as portable computers. It's especially laughable now seeing the characters carrying padds around the ship to deliver to someone else rather than simply sending the information to them via some form of e-mail. To say nothing of the stacks of padds we see cluttering desks to represent "being busy" or the crate full of padds that had to be lugged around on Voyager.

I mean, yeah, these things do mark the shows as being from the 1990s, but I don't think that's the sort of thing that really makes audiences watch or not watch a show or movie. People still love Jurassic Park even though it's literally got a scene where an 11-year-old kid gets to be a super-hacker because "it's a UNIX system."
 
I've always loved how they have monochrome CRT terminals in Alien, even though it was ridiculous in the late 90s already when I first watched it. It's actually an important part of atmosphere and aesthetics. If the film was made today, there'd be 3d holo interface wankery everywhere and it would be so much worse.

I've always loved how they have physical clock displays in TOS, and even a printer in "The Cage". Doesn't take anything away for me, just makes it more charming. It fits the style of the show. I imagine a lot of younger viewers today would similarly have no issues with watching TNG/DS9/etc. today. I mean, if you decide to watch a decades-old TV show in the first place, why would you have an issue with that?

I think what's actually aged worse is the Nokia product placement in ST09.
 
And what about personal correspondence? Wouldn't that be more practical to send via e-mail than being hand delivered? I refer specifically to Voyager, when they first started getting letters from home. As each letter came in, it was put onto a padd, then Neelix had to run around the ship to hand deliver the padd to the recipient. Which led to him reading everyone's letters and spreading gossip about them. I should think in that case, e-mail would be a far more logical alternative. Not to mention, respecting the crew's privacy. Though really, the whole thing was just a contrivance to give Neelix something to do for the week, it does leave the impression regardless that reading someone else's mail is apparently not a felony in the 24th century.
Unfortunately a character that was creepy and annoying when a show was initially produced is unlikely to improve in perceived quality as time marches on

I've always loved how they have monochrome CRT terminals in Alien, even though it was ridiculous in the late 90s already when I first watched it. It's actually an important part of atmosphere and aesthetics. If the film was made today, there'd be 3d holo interface wankery everywhere and it would be so much worse.
Ridley Scott got lucky Alien (and Blade Runner) were produced just after the Star Wars changed everything line, and both hold up. Logan's Run from just a few years prior might as well be a Forbidden Planet from the 1950s (not to knock those films, I own both).
 
I've always loved how they have monochrome CRT terminals in Alien, even though it was ridiculous in the late 90s already when I first watched it.
I remember revisiting the Alien movies in my early twenties (mid-2000s), and making the comment during the first one "why did they think a wall of blinking lights would be futuristic in the 1970s?"
 
I guess sometimes it's just meant to look cool. I mean, the overload of light bars on the SNW bridge doesn't make any sense or strike me as futuristic either. It's just for style.

Then of course there's Alien's famously low budget which certainly limited options. And then there are creative decisions, creators may simply choose not to try to be futuristic. Not sure the creators of Alien did, but I always consider it a possibility that the creators themselves didn't think of it as such.
 
I remember revisiting the Alien movies in my early twenties (mid-2000s), and making the comment during the first one "why did they think a wall of blinking lights would be futuristic in the 1970s?"

I mean, this was still an era where computers were extremely large machines, wasn't it? I could see a wall of lights reading as "futuristic" to people who assume a highly-sophisticated computer must take up a large percentage of a room.
 
I remember revisiting the Alien movies in my early twenties (mid-2000s), and making the comment during the first one "why did they think a wall of blinking lights would be futuristic in the 1970s?"

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We're introducing our son, now 13, to Trek. We started with TNG because we wanted him to enjoy the idea of Trek before subjecting him to the uneven quality of TOS, which was my first Trek because I watched it in reruns in the mid-80s when I was about his age, although I only became a fan with TNG and DS9. While we've watched the occasional TOS episode, we watched the last two seasons of TNG, all of DS9, and we've almost completed the second season of VGR, because we have to catch our son in the right mood to get him to watch TOS.

We're almost done with this rewatch of TOS, and for my part, the best episodes hold up with anything the franchise's produced since the original, but there's a lot of less stellar episodes to sift through to get to the gems if you're a completist. Our son's enjoyed some of it, but I think that there's hope for the younger generation because he's visibly cringed at some of the more obvious sexism and racism, especially the scene in The Changeling where Nomad wondered about the confusion in Uhura's mind, and he flinched when the augment struck Uhura in Space Seed.

We've also watched all the old Trek movies except Nemesis, we're waiting for VGR to end to watch that. He vastly prefers the movies with the TNG crew. That said, his first look at Trek was the Bad Robot movies two years ago.

Honestly, I'm not sure how well the movies with the TOS crew are holding up with younger viewers. Our son found them a bit boring because the main characters were all too old for him to relate to on any level.
 
I know I have a bias, but I think the 87-2005 stuff has aged worse than TOS.

Born in 1973, I'm of the TNG generation. I never could quite get into TOS, it being a product of an age I never lived through. That said you could be quite correct in your assessment that e.g. TNG aged worse than TOS. Even so, I grew up with it, which means I'll probably always have a fondness for it.
 
Born in 1973, I'm of the TNG generation. I never could quite get into TOS, it being a product of an age I never lived through. That said you could be quite correct in your assessment that e.g. TNG aged worse than TOS. Even so, I grew up with it, which means I'll probably always have a fondness for it.

Was born in 1971. Was exposed to TOS starting in the mid-70’s through daily reruns. I was already a full blown Trek nut by the time TMP came out.
 
For people with good taste sure. And it's not like Bond fans today don't go back and watch the Connery ones, Dr. Who fans go back and watch the original show, exc.

I know I have a bias, but I think the 87-2005 stuff has aged worse than TOS.

Yep, I still love TNG but I get more unintentional laughs from watching that due to the sheer 80'sness and the new age tripe that Picard and Troi would in particular get in their dialogue over and over. TOS is classic which is different than dated.
 
I do think that TOS will keep its legendary status, however I don't see it appealing to large numbers of younger fans, especially as the years go on. The TOS characters (and cast) will be considered legends by future Trek creators-I'm guessing-and that will translate to the audience, but I don't see a reverence necessarily for TOS as a series itself. New Trek has already been tweaking it and chafing under its strictures. And I think a ready excuse to tweak or outright TOS is how old it is.

I don't see the majority of the TOS movies holding up that well either. They were relatively cheaply made, have more dialogue than action, and have a senior citizen cast. I think it will take people getting caught up in the stories and acting and ignoring the budgetary limitations. The Abrams-Lin films get a lot of guff but they are contemporary blockbuster films which I could see being easier to appeal to younger audiences. The TNG movies are in the middle. While also relatively cheaply made, they had better action scenes and production values.
 
For people with good taste sure. And it's not like Bond fans today don't go back and watch the Connery ones, Dr. Who fans go back and watch the original show, exc.

Agreed, and in the case of Dr. Who, the 21st century series has some strong episodes, but i've found more powerful, literate episodes coming from the original series.

Yep, I still love TNG but I get more unintentional laughs from watching that due to the sheer 80'sness and the new age tripe that Picard and Troi would in particular get in their dialogue over and over.

All the conscious drive / focus of the Berman era. Often, TNG felt like a bad New Age seminar bolted to the noise from astoundingly bloated politicians pointing accusatory fingers at everyone through the perfect lens of the Prime Directive. It is no wonder TNG does not have as deep a cultural footprint / level of importance as its predecessor (it is not even close).

TOS is classic which is different than dated.

Well put.

I don't see the majority of the TOS movies holding up that well either. They were relatively cheaply made, have more dialogue than action, and have a senior citizen cast.

The TOS films (with the exception of TMP) are the only ST films to date that capture the essence / heart of the series it was based on--in a successful way. That cannot be said of the NG movies. Moreover, "senior citizens" seems to assume younger viewers will not find the ages of the cast appealing, when one - from TWOK-forward, the films naturally integrated the idea of the characters aging / seeing their lives at that stage, as opposed to trying to operate like people 15 - 20 years younger. Two, ST has never been a concept where action and scant dialogue was the guiding direction. Its not a MCU movie or--to be frank--the Star Wars films.

The Abrams-Lin films get a lot of guff but they are contemporary blockbuster films which I could see being easier to appeal to younger audiences.

The problem is that the JJ-Trek films are as hollow as a cartoon, and not the face a franchise would want to refer to as the best it has to offer.
 
Agreed, and in the case of Dr. Who, the 21st century series has some strong episodes, but i've found more powerful, literate episodes coming from the original series.



All the conscious drive / focus of the Berman era. Often, TNG felt like a bad New Age seminar bolted to the noise from astoundingly bloated politicians pointing accusatory fingers at everyone through the perfect lens of the Prime Directive. It is no wonder TNG does not have as deep a cultural footprint / level of importance as its predecessor (it is not even close).



Well put.



The TOS films (with the exception of TMP) are the only ST films to date that capture the essence / heart of the series it was based on--in a successful way. That cannot be said of the NG movies. Moreover, "senior citizens" seems to assume younger viewers will not find the ages of the cast appealing, when one - from TWOK-forward, the films naturally integrated the idea of the characters aging / seeing their lives at that stage, as opposed to trying to operate like people 15 - 20 years younger. Two, ST has never been a concept where action and scant dialogue was the guiding direction. Its not a MCU movie or--to be frank--the Star Wars films.



The problem is that the JJ-Trek films are as hollow as a cartoon, and not the face a franchise would want to refer to as the best it has to offer.

Trek isn't a MCU movie or Star Wars but consider how much more widely popular those have been than Trek has ever been, even at its height. I am talking about its wider appeal, and I do think TOS and TOS movies will lose some appeal the older they get. Doesn't detract from its heart or the quality, but I think it will be harder for younger audiences to get into it, especially if they are reared on contemporary series and films with today's special effects, action, acting/writing, and so forth. I got into Next Generation and TOS (movies first and then the series) around the late 80s. I was a teen then, but the age of the TOS movie cast didn't matter to me. I liked the stories and the characters for the most part. It took me longer to get into TOS though. I had a black-and-white television growing up and TOS looked boring compared to Buck Rogers and Battlestar Galactica when I was very young, so I can only imagine what it would look like to kids today (even with color television), especially when you have so many competing genre works with big budgets, great production values, and writing/acting that is more contemporary. I could see them getting more into the almost 20-year-old "new" Battlestar Galactica instead of TOS. Or what about The Expanse, Halo, Foundation, Raised by Wolves, The 100, The Mandalorian (and other Star Wars series), or epic fantasy series that are out there? And those are competing with the MCU, DC, and other superhero/comic book content.

When I was a kid, Next Generation was basically the only game in town when it came to a science fiction series with consistent, very good production values. It also had great writing, acting, and characters to boot. Now, Trek has a lot of competition, and if say New Trek isn't going to appeal to them then I don't see a large number of younger people flocking to TOS. If anything, I could see them going back to the Berman era first, and then trying TOS. If they like SNW, that might inspire them to go to TOS as well to learn what happened to some of the now SNW characters. How many people who love the Cruise Mission Impossible movies have sought out the original series, or even the 80s reboot? With James Bond, how many people who love the Craig films have seen the Connery or Moore movies, or feel they even need to? Some things get too old, too dated. Personally, I don't think that time has come for TOS yet, but I could see some people just not vibing with it just on how it looks from jump.

The very size of the franchise now, with hundreds of hours of just television programming alone, might also make sifting through all that to get to back to TOS daunting. That doesn't mean TOS isn't legendary. It's the foundation. It's the most popular incarnation in pop culture, but that's also because a lot of people who were there when it premiered are still alive. What happens by the time that say Generation Z are middle age or even older? What is, or will be, their Trek? Perhaps it will be DISCO, and Burnham will be lionized and recognized as a trailblazer more than she is today. Or it could be Pike or Dal, and there will be the internet debates about how one of them is the best captain. Or there will be articles about how Paul Wesley is the definitive Kirk, and so forth. Or there will be focus on whatever kind of Trek is out at that time. I don't see Trek going away, though it will change, adapt, or mutate, as it were, and it has to.

When it comes to the Abrams-Lin films, personal feelings aside, made more money than any other Trek films (not counting inflation). They are fast, colorful, popcorn films, and while Trek isn't about action like that, for a short time in 2009, Abrams's first film got Trek back to pop cultural relevance in a way it hadn't been in decades. Suddenly, Trek was cool it again and it was great to see. To me, they just dragged their feet getting out a sequel, and that sequel was lackluster (even though it earned a lot of money, which also says to me that at the time a lot of people were still eager to see JJ-Trek).
 
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Many of the younger generation already know about the ways that TOS broke boundaries. The Twitter crowd is certainly well aware of it. There certainly seems to be an understanding that it broke boundaries and started it all.

Yes, they understand the 60s misogyny. But even those of us who grew up in the 80s/90s knew and saw that. (It's why I have no issue with SNW's Chapel and T'Pring being utterly different than their original counterparts.)

I will say that for the most part, the younger crowd does not have the reference for TNG that so many of the older ones do. They see it for what it was: a very safe, very by the numbers space show that desperately tried to convince us that an android was the most oppressed creature in all of space. The Maquis episode with Ro especially ages poorly.

tl;dr: TOS will age better, despite its occasional misogyny, because it actually tried to do things socially, and the younger crowd cares about that. DS9 and Voy (with a female-driven cast) will also age well with them, because of that.

TNG will be the one looking like the decrepit dinosaur, as it should.
 
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