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Will TOS expand my enjoyment as a fan?

I know the characters, I know the universe fairly well, I loved the movies, but will TOS truly add more value to my experience as a fan? Yes, this is subjective, but I'm seeking opinions here. Sell yours to me :)

It will give you better insights and more perspective on Trek as a whole, yes. But the main question is: Do you enjoy watching older (40, 50 years old and more) movies and TV in general? If you don't, you're probably not going to find it worthwhile.
 
Story telling caan overcome poor FX, the opposite however is not true great FX can't overcome a bad story.
 
Quite true. DS9's first season has a great example of this. Because "The Storyteller" was so expensive, the producers had to make a bottle show, and the result was "Duet."

The episode loaded with effects and location work is forgettable at best; the episode that's basically just two people talking on a standing set for 42 minutes is a classic.
 
Quite true. DS9's first season has a great example of this. Because "The Storyteller" was so expensive, the producers had to make a bottle show, and the result was "Duet."

The episode loaded with effects and location work is forgettable at best; the episode that's basically just two people talking on a standing set for 42 minutes is a classic.

Didn't know about that connection, but that's great. Except I loved the O'Brien + Bashir bond that was in its infancy with "Storyteller." But I suppose the point is they certainly could have highlighted that relationship with a better, cheaper story. No doubt.
 
YES it will enhance your experience. You will see the origin of huge amounts of all the Trek you've already enjoyed, politics, species and worlds. You will see quite a few actual characters you have already enjoyed. You will see why Picard, Janeway and Sisko all speak of Captain Kirk with awe, reverence and a bit of envy :)

You should totes watch it. BE A COMPLETIST. Also, it rocks!
 
:rommie: Thanks guys & gals for all the input.

I'll admit that I was already sort of sold on the idea of watching them all just because I'd like some more "new content" to watch of ST. There was some hesitation and I figured it'd be worth a thread to get some of the more passionate TOS fans to pump me up for it :alienblush:

Looks like I left off on "Mira" and finally got around to watching it today. I'm not disappointed at all with Season 1 so far.
 
It might help a bit to watch, and see not the 'dated' elements, but the timeless ones. Frame of mind is important: the more you can see in the show, the more you will find within yourself! :) Remember that today's television will appear dated in time, as well.

It's mind-expanding in the same way a museum is. Who would go to a museum and say that it wasn't any good cause the works there were "dated"?
 
I wouldn't begrudge anyone liking what they like. We all have different tastes. It just seems strange that there are people who call themselves Star Trek fans who, you know, don't actually like Star Trek.
 
Anyone who's sat through the replicative-faded clone-of-a-clone-of-a-clone that is Enterprise deserves to get themselves some culture and watch the show that started it all.
 
It might help a bit to watch, and see not the 'dated' elements, but the timeless ones. Frame of mind is important: the more you can see in the show, the more you will find within yourself! :) Remember that today's television will appear dated in time, as well.

It's mind-expanding in the same way a museum is. Who would go to a museum and say that it wasn't any good cause the works there were "dated"?

I understand what you mean. Maybe I hit a sore spot for some here by using the word "dated", but it really wasn't a bash or slight toward TOS's inherent qualities.
What I really meant was the special effects and certain elements that are unquestionably "dated" and hard to ignore, such as cheap alien prosthetics and makeup.

It's not even really a "bad" term imo. Personally, I'm a big fan of older films and classic gems of any era. I'm a huge Vincent Price fan and as I posted earlier a big fan of Twilight Zone as well (own the whole original series dvd collection). Plenty of TZ and Price's work can be considered cheesy or dated but no less enjoyable for their own merits.

There's also a charming quality to anything from another era. A glimpse into past perspectives, hopes and dreams through a fiction written in another time. TOS is rumored to have a bit of that ;)
 
I don't think anyone can argue Star Trek isn't dated. Of course it is. But it is what it is -- a product of its time. People still read classic SF novels that are far more dated than Star Trek is, featuring a populated Mars, a swampy Venus, and interstellar travel in the late 20th Century.
 
To answer you question:
Its up to you whether TOS will help you enjoy Star Trek more.
I think the rest of the series are independent enough that you won't miss any important information especially if you've seen the TOS movies.

But if you don't see TOS I say its your loss.

I know because I haven't seen a great deal of DS9 and I know its my loss. I like individual episodes and I liked Season 1. I just can't force myself to watch the rest. And I'm thinking thats like 4 Seasons of Star Trek I haven't really watched and I'm not interested.

I think you have to watch it with the mindset this is not TNG or VOY or DS9 and they do this or that better in those series. I did that with TNG and it doesn't work. Regard it as a new/old show that has nothing to do with the other series and it might go better for you.

Anyway good on you for trying.
 
I understand what you mean. Maybe I hit a sore spot for some here by using the word "dated", but it really wasn't a bash or slight toward TOS's inherent qualities.

And no offense taken, my friend! :)

So often, however, I see the term 'dated' used in the pejorative. From your other comments, however, you do not fit into this category. There is so much to be gleaned from the works that came "before our time" that it's a shame to see the value of this not shine its light on those whose unwillingness to see it is but for their own choice to not glance in its direction.

I think your own Twilight Zone collection points out that you're already there. It's just a matter of "doing the work" and watching.

Not to sound nosey, by the way, but how old are you?
 
I think you have to watch it with the mindset this is not TNG or VOY or DS9 and they do this or that better in those series. I did that with TNG and it doesn't work. Regard it as a new/old show that has nothing to do with the other series and it might go better for you.
Definitely good advice.
 
I think your own Twilight Zone collection points out that you're already there. It's just a matter of "doing the work" and watching.

Not to sound nosey, by the way, but how old are you?

I'm 31. So, I'm of the age that I grew up with TNG but I'm "pre-internet" childhood, so maybe that lack of "excess consumption" of all forms of entertainment/media has given me some perspective.

^And to any youngsters on here, that's not meant to be offensive. It's just an observation about society in general nowadays.
 
I want to cater a DS9-athon for CommishSleer where I bring her endless drinks and dainties and also there will be scantily clad folk with fans and she will watch DS9 for days and fall in love.
 
Yeah I have to agree. Even by 1960s standards, TOS was sort of low budget in the FX department...
By FX I assume you mean VFX and not special SFX (on stage tricks). How many other TV series of the time were doing bluescreen miniature work and weekly optical effects like the transporter and phaser beams, or even anything as crazy as the Tholian web? Lost In Space did teleportation Bewitched style (a cut and maybe a live smoke effect), And most Irwin Allen shows just used the old-school Lydecker method of flying models on wires. Star Trek's effects look antiquated to modern eyes, but they were hardly low budget for TV of the period.

9. The Naked Time (Prequel to TNG's Naked Now, establishes time travel method for TVH)

Bzzzt. Wrong. The time travel approach used in TVH is the solar slingshot as first shown on "Tomorrow Is Yesterday". The time warp in "The Naked Time" was caused by the intermix formula used to start the engines "cold" and was never referenced again.
 
I think that if a person can watch Bonanza and get over the "sixtees-ness" of it all, then one should be able to enjor TOS. Just don't blame TOS for not being "the future" (why are they carrying memory chips? where is the WiFi), because scifi never perfectly captures the future - most often, scifi is not simply "futurism" but a philosophical thought experiment (e.g., politics, ethics, identity, consciousness, power) and TOS has this in spades.
For people who are curious about TOS but can't tolerate the "60s" look on their screens, perhaps they might consider reading the James Blish books. He adapted most of the 79 episodes before he died, and J.A. Lawrence did the others. That's how I knew about most of the episodes before I got to see them on TV. Of course he wasn't working from final scripts, so there are discrepancies - notably during the time when George Takei was filming a movie and his scenes were given to Walter Koenig.

I'm old enough to remember Bonanza when it was in its first run. Admittedly I was very young and don't remember individual episodes from then, but I've managed to do a lot of catching up since. It's still a pretty good show, and I'm still searching out episodes I haven't seen, and ones I saw before and would like to see again (yeah I could buy the DVDs, but Amazon's going to have to put them on sale before that'll happen...).

A few years ago, there was a thread here about black-and-white movies. There was one poster who swore up and down he hated them, would never watch them, didn't care about the story being good or not... they were black-and-white, and therefore worthless. That discussion inspired me to check out the Katherine Hepburn/Spencer Tracy movie marathon that was on TV a couple of days later. I'd never seen "The African Queen" before, and loved it! Even if the images on screen aren't in color, I can imagine how they would look if they were.

And sometimes color isn't necessarily better. I saw a colorized version of the old Richard Greene "Robin Hood" series... it looked ridiculous.

If you want to know the origins of DS9's Kor, Kang and Koloth, you have to watch:

Errand of Mercy (first Klingon episode!)
The Trouble with Tribbles
Day of the Dove

TNG was my first trek, and TOS was a bit cheesy after that, but it quickly grew on me. Don't miss out!
More properly, the first appearances of those characters, not their origins.
How can those episodes not be their origins, if those are the first time the characters are seen? After all, it's not like they were ever mentioned previously. :confused:

I wouldn't begrudge anyone liking what they like. We all have different tastes. It just seems strange that there are people who call themselves Star Trek fans who, you know, don't actually like Star Trek.
Agreed. :)

I don't think anyone can argue Star Trek isn't dated. Of course it is. But it is what it is -- a product of its time. People still read classic SF novels that are far more dated than Star Trek is, featuring a populated Mars, a swampy Venus, and interstellar travel in the late 20th Century.
I still enjoy Ray Bradbury's stories - all of them hopelessly dated by this time. Ditto Edgar Rice Burroughs. Robert Heinlein's stories that take place on Mars and Venus and Jupiter's moons are outdated. Even Ben Bova - a modern SF writer whose Grand Tour/Asteroid Wars series is top-notch reading - wrote some political SF stories that are dated now (I'm thinking specifically of Millennium and Colony). They're still fun stories.
 
Even by 1960s standards, TOS was sort of low budget in the FX department.
Actually, compared to the competing shows of the time (Lost In Space & Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea), which used models on wires, TOS had far more sophisticated visual effects.

In fact, I have a hard time rewatching the Remastered episodes, because the CGI looks so generic.
I'd have much preferred that the restoration team just clean up the dust & scratches, correct the color and sharpen the edges on the existing VFX footage.

EDIT: Sorry, Maurice! Hadn't seen your post when I wrote mine. You made my point for me far better!
 
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