Will this series be more adult than the other ones?

[CorporalCaptain]

And contrary to a frequently given excuse, it's not like non-white, non-male actors willing to do walk-on roles are difficult to find in Los Angeles, New York, or Vancouver.

... or Toronto!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I don't talk about Toronto. They know what they did.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

If it reflected real world demographics, more than half the crew, speaking role or not, should be women. 60% of the crew should be either East/Southeast Asian (the largest group), South Asian/Indian (second largest), and Middle Eastern.

And what about the United Federation of Planets demographics? We should factor in the 23rd century populations of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Alpha Centauri, etc.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

And what about the United Federation of Planets demographics? We should factor in the 23rd century populations of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Alpha Centauri, etc.

Well, my first consideration was to the people that aren't fictional, but you roll with that.

Also, they would obviously be played by the real world, actually existing, actors that I was clearly referring to, so I don't see the conflict.

 

[Tesophius]

I don't really see the aliens by the race of whoever the actor is, I just see them as aliens, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

Well, my first consideration was to the people that aren't fictional, but you roll with that.

Also, they would obviously be played by the real world, actually existing, actors that I was clearly referring to, so I don't see the conflict.

As long as Klingons look like proper TOS Klingons (i.e. blackface Mongolians) that's fine by me.

 

[Tesophius]

I didn't know that Worf was actually Black until last year when I saw the actor without makeup.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't talk about Toronto. They know what they did.

They should use Toronto City Hall again. It makes a great Trek building.

 

[Jedman67]

It's amazing how this never seems to be raised as an issue if you stock the crew with a hundred cardboard cutout straight white male characters.

If it reflected real world demographics, more than half the crew, speaking role or not, should be women. 60% of the crew should be either East/Southeast Asian (the largest group), South Asian/Indian (second largest), and Middle Eastern. Realistically there should be lots of "token" non-white male characters just randomly filling the background without ever being given backstories, just like their white counterparts did in the whitewashed New York of Friends or Seinfeld. Those background roles should be in in addition to the women and people of color who should rightfully be filling out a much higher percentage of the speaking roles as well.

And contrary to a frequently given excuse, it's not like non-white, non-male actors willing to do walk-on roles are difficult to find in Los Angeles, New York, or Vancouver. It's a matter of overcoming your personal biases, specifying a desire for greater diversity in the casting notices, and making more of an effort as a casting director to reflect society.

I don't watch a lot of TV and movies nowadays, basically it's Doctor Who and any movie that's Star Wars, Star Trek or Harry Potter.
Funny thing is, DW is pretty decent about diversity, a gay actor was a recurring lead in the first two series, there was a lead black companion in nearly every single series until Matt Smith's tenure and tons of guest stars or backgrounds were from all walks of life. IIRC, Fantastic Beasts was pretty white (hard to tell on a 4" airplane screen. Blah!).
Stargate didn't do too badly, although for a '90s/00's show it could have been better or worse.
And also, non-speaking background extra's don't really count towards my "make them good characters" point. They should reflect realistic diversity, without any of that pesky writing a character business.

And what about the United Federation of Planets demographics? We should factor in the 23rd century populations of Earth, Vulcan, Andoria, Tellar Prime, Alpha Centauri, etc.

Beyond had a pretty decent running of aliens in the ships company.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I didn't know that Worf was actually Black until last year when I saw the actor without makeup.

Can you tell me the names of the two actors in the photo below?

 

[Tesophius]

That's Superman.

 

[Jedman67]

Can you tell me the names of the two actors in the photo below?

Routh and Reeves?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Routh and Reeves?

No, they're both Adam West.

 

[Kor]

Actually, the one on the left is that guy Richard Collier. You know, from Somewhere in Time with Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman and Captain von Trapp.

But seriously... to me, only knowing the characters but knowing nothing at all about the actor in shows that we watch over and over again for endless hours is akin to admiring paintings without finding out anything about the artist, or appreciating architecture without ever looking into the architects/designers, or reading a work of literature without trying to learn anything about the writer.

Kor

 

[jaime]

I think it's gonna skew slightly towards the edited showings of Dark Matter or Ye Olde Farscape.

 

[Tesophius]

Actually, the one on the left is that guy Richard Collier. You know, from Somewhere in Time with Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman and Captain von Trapp.

But seriously... to me, only knowing the characters but knowing nothing at all about the actor in shows that we watch over and over again for endless hours is akin to admiring paintings without finding out anything about the artist, or appreciating architecture without ever looking into the architects/designers, or reading a work of literature without trying to learn anything about the writer.

Kor

That's actually a pretty accurate description of my appreciation for art and architecture. I'm pretty passionate about both of these subjects, even considered becoming an architect in the past, but I don't learn the names of the artists or architects, I'm just not interested in them outside of the work that they do. I know exactly where my favorite pieces are in the museums that I frequent, but don't bother reading the name of the artists.

 

[Kor]

That's actually a pretty accurate description of my appreciation for art and architecture. I'm pretty passionate about both of these subjects, even considered becoming an architect in the past, but I don't learn the names of the artists or architects, I'm just not interested in them outside of the work that they do. I know exactly where my favorite pieces are in the museums that I frequent, but don't bother reading the name of the artists.

Interesting. I guess I'm always more interested in the creative process and choices, methods, motivations, context, etc. beneath the surface of the final product. Knowing how and why something was made includes knowing who made it.

Kor

 

[Jedman67]

No, they're both Adam West.

that was gonna be my next guest after Tom Baker

 

[Greg Cox]

Actually, the one on the left is that guy Richard Collier. You know, from Somewhere in Time with Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman and Captain von Trapp.

Yep. Written by that guy who wrote "The Enemy Within."

But I could've sworn that movie co-starred a Bond chick and a Klingon general instead.

 

[m.lp.ql.m]

...Asian, Alien, Black WOMAN, Russian.... and the rest () ...

The Professor and Mary Ann?

I didn't know that Worf was actually Black until last year when I saw the actor without makeup.

Oh, sure, and I bet you "don't see ridges" either.