Maybe teen or adult plus audience?
Will this series be more adult than the other ones?
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I certainly think so. I don't think we'll have rampant nudity and swearing like your workaday Game of Thrones, but I anticipate a slightly harsher tone - I expect that the usual "resurrect a character in the same episode they died" tricks won't be so common.
I bet they'll play up Harry Mudd being a sex trafficker
This.
"Not your Father's Trek" was promised with Enterprise. We all know how *that* gazelle-stumbling incarnation worked out.
Get some teeth, absolutely. The optimistic core has been at Trek's core philosophy. But the aspiration to a more optimistic world is a story I want to see, with all the ugly, imperfect traits we struggle with. As opposed to watching self-righteous, perfect humans with the luxury of having "removed all physical needs".
I'm not saying a utopian future where *everyone* gets along is a terrible idea - but will that be the reality represented by the childish, two dimensional notions portrayed by Trek at times. Granted, some are childish in hindsight (Bele & Lokai) but perhaps necessary in such a divided world. But we have evolved and the stories of Trek need to PROPERLY challenge, as they once did to a society which found the idea of an Asian, Alien, Black WOMAN, Russian.... and the rest (
) working in concert together.Drama comes from real, visceral conflict. And the conflicts for modern audiences need to challenge us for our current issues. And, not to keep the preachy tone - You can do a fuckload more on TV nowadays than you could even 20 years ago. We want to be pushed and intrigued - and shocked - by what we watch. The idea of perfect humans in spandex who get to laud it over the rest of The Universe is done for a modern audience. I bloody love Trek, but plug in some Battlestar Galactica and GoT, FFS.
At the end of the day, it's puerile escapist fantasy.
I hope not. I'm tired of darkity dark dark ultra grim tones and graphic violence.
A clear cut case for fantasy/fiction not having played a part in furthering humanity. Ta. (smartphone put down)
Let's get Sipowicz' ass back in the game.
See above, but give me more crack.No it won't be more adult. It'll just have occasional side boob and bum cracks like Star Trek Enterprise did 10 years ago.
How better would you like the future better served to you? Reality is cruel to a lot of people while you and I get to type about this stuff. I fucking can't believe though, that they can't get their shit together to at least respond to this...
Where is RAMA's latest body shot? I need hints.
If you got confused by Enterprise's kinda-cool foray into the alt-Universe... hmm, come to think about it, NO, it still sucked.
The only real point of comparison we have to go by is how CBS All-Access has handled their only other original series on the streaming service so far, which is The Good Wife spinoff The Good Fight, which has currently run through seven episodes of the ten episode first season. Unlike the original CBS broadcast series it's based on (CBS being the most prudish network in terms of broadcast standards), The Good Fight features copious use of variations of the word "fuck", some mild and tasteful nudity (breasts and ass), a lot of sexual situations and frank discussion, and some pretty harsh racial and sexual slurs and threats when it comes to dealing with a "ripped from the headlines" legal case on those topics. For instance, they had an episode dealing with online trolls that delved into some of the threats trolls make against prominent women in social media circles (the lead character has been on ongoing victim of such online harassment). However, they have handled them all in a respectful and mature and story-relevant manner and not just for shock value or titillation, so I think they can do it in an adult and responsible way. There hasn't been any kind of extreme violence featured on the show so far.
I don't expect Discovery will have the same kind of "ripped from the headlines" type of stories and immediacy that a present day legal drama would, but I can certainly see them exploring more vague modern concepts in a futuristic setting like all Trek series have, and to take on more mature stories and sexual situations and language befitting the online streaming service it's playing on. Even Enterprise and the more recent Trek films had started to test the waters on language and sexuality a little bit (though often in more cringeworthy than mature ways), though ironically sometimes it almost seemed like they were playing catch-up to the William Ware Theiss costumes of the 60s.
This. If adult is code for vulgar, dark, whining, fantasy that focuses on how shitty everything is, then I sure hope not.
If adult means that it will cater to older viewers that want intellectual substance in a form of exciting sci fi ideas - then yes please. I want a somewhat realistic representation of the future and not the tale of two cities like the expanse.
To the degree that, in general, TV shows in 2017 are more "adult" than shows of thirty or fifty years ago . . . probably. Doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be GAME OF THRONES.
Heck, the average family sitcom is more "adult" than its counterparts back in the day in that there's less network censorship and such.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the new show is NOT going to have to fight the censors in order to show a belly-button or two.
Heck, the average family sitcom is more "adult" than its counterparts back in the day in that there's less network censorship and such.
And I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that the new show is NOT going to have to fight the censors in order to show a belly-button or two.
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There's been too much "science fantasy" for my taste in Star Trek. I'd like it if they'd consult real scientists and try to depict a believable future. TOS consulted with the RAND corporation back in the day...One thing I like about The Expanse is that there is a lot of Science in their Fiction.
I hope they lose the forced technobabble and magic technologies - stuff like the transporter and warp speed are mainstays and won't go away, but please god, no more Rascals or Tuvix plots!!!
In terms of adult, gritty for gritty's sake doesn't do much.
Adult-oriented, intellectual plots while being an enjoyable show - Doctor Who usually does this well.
Diversity and sexuality - I don't want to see a "token" (minority/race/gender) character that's flat as cardboard and exists solely to check off the "diversity" box. I want to see a diverse cast with well written characters, people with real human struggles.
Personally, I prefer a more family-friendly approach in terms of nudity and profanity, I don't see any reason for star trek to be throwing f-bombs around (an occasional one here and there would prob be necessary).
In terms of adult, gritty for gritty's sake doesn't do much.
Adult-oriented, intellectual plots while being an enjoyable show - Doctor Who usually does this well.
Diversity and sexuality - I don't want to see a "token" (minority/race/gender) character that's flat as cardboard and exists solely to check off the "diversity" box. I want to see a diverse cast with well written characters, people with real human struggles.
Personally, I prefer a more family-friendly approach in terms of nudity and profanity, I don't see any reason for star trek to be throwing f-bombs around (an occasional one here and there would prob be necessary).
I'm ready for GAME OF CAPTAIN'S CHAIR! Bring it CBSAA!
It's amazing how this never seems to be raised as an issue if you stock the crew with a hundred cardboard cutout straight white male characters.
If it reflected real world demographics, more than half the crew, speaking role or not, should be women. 60% of the crew should be either East/Southeast Asian (the largest group), South Asian/Indian (second largest), and Middle Eastern. Realistically there should be lots of "token" non-white male characters just randomly filling the background without ever being given backstories, just like their white counterparts did in the whitewashed New York of Friends or Seinfeld. Those background roles should be in in addition to the women and people of color who should rightfully be filling out a much higher percentage of the speaking roles as well.
And contrary to a frequently given excuse, it's not like non-white, non-male actors willing to do walk-on roles are difficult to find in Los Angeles, New York, or Vancouver. It's a matter of overcoming your personal biases, specifying a desire for greater diversity in the casting notices, and making more of an effort as a casting director to reflect society.
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