Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.

[eyeresist]

Star Trek isn't going to be on traditional television ever again. Networks are demanding bargain basement budgets and Star Trek wouldn't fit that. SFX, large casts, sets, all expensive.

This point has been made in several different threads-it is just cheaper to produce shows set in the present. This includes even shows that have speculative content. (X-files, for example. ) So how would suits view the options...what is the bottom line?

This gives me an idea for a new Trek show which would be affordable - and possibly quite terrible (or actually decent):

Someone is screwing with the timeline, causing the Federation to cease to exist, so the show follows Federation agents as they travel to different times in Earth's history to fix the problems and stop the baddies. This would be cheaper to produce than a show set in the future, as they could just use the backlot or present day locations, as well as pre-existing wardrobe. One amusing facet would be to see how the world outside their future base has changed each time the agents come back from an operation (assuming their base is somehow "immune" to temporal skullduggery).

I realise this is basically a revival of the unpopular Temporal Cold War (from an insider perspective), but it would be doable, and with good writing it could be good. Quantum Leap has shown this genre can win an audience, and more recently there is the Canadian show Continuum. It could even be a "stealth" Trek show, designed to stand alone but with subtle continuity references for the fans.

 

[eyeresist]

Where did "IDIC" even come from, for example? If it was in any of the shows at all, I don't remember it.

From the TOS episode "Is There in Truth No Beauty."

The IDIC also turned up in Enterprise's season 4 Vulcan arc.

 

[T'Girl]

The TNG writers bible (which I recently read for the first time) mentions the "IDIC philosophy" on a few occasions, explaining to writers that it's an important part of Star Trek.

 

[JWPlatt]

The TNG writers bible (which I recently read for the first time) mentions the "IDIC philosophy" on a few occasions, explaining to writers that it's an important part of Star Trek.

It's hard for me to get over the "fruit of the poisonous tree" of real world profit motive as regards IDIC.

 

[chardman]

Certainly no worse than the "real world profit motive as regards" producing a network/syndicated commercial television show in the first place? Show business is, first and foremost, business.

 

[Tim Walker]

Star Trek isn't going to be on traditional television ever again. Networks are demanding bargain basement budgets and Star Trek wouldn't fit that. SFX, large casts, sets, all expensive.

This point has been made in several different threads-it is just cheaper to produce shows set in the present. This includes even shows that have speculative content. (X-files, for example. ) So how would suits view the options...what is the bottom line?

This gives me an idea for a new Trek show which would be affordable - and possibly quite terrible (or actually decent):

Someone is screwing with the timeline, causing the Federation to cease to exist, so the show follows Federation agents as they travel to different times in Earth's history to fix the problems and stop the baddies. This would be cheaper to produce than a show set in the future, as they could just use the backlot or present day locations, as well as pre-existing wardrobe. One amusing facet would be to see how the world outside their future base has changed each time the agents come back from an operation (assuming their base is somehow "immune" to temporal skullduggery).

I realise this is basically a revival of the unpopular Temporal Cold War (from an insider perspective), but it would be doable, and with good writing it could be good. Quantum Leap has shown this genre can win an audience, and more recently there is the Canadian show Continuum.

A similar theme appeared in a Trek novel, "From History's Shadow" by Dayton Ward.

 

[JWPlatt]

Certainly no worse than the "real world profit motive as regards" producing a network/syndicated commercial television show in the first place? Show business is, first and foremost, business.

Beyond that, obviously. Do you really equate that to having the Spock character personally shill a real product for sale? The actors saw a difference.

 

[Ithekro]

Star Trek isn't going to be on traditional television ever again. Networks are demanding bargain basement budgets and Star Trek wouldn't fit that. SFX, large casts, sets, all expensive.

This point has been made in several different threads-it is just cheaper to produce shows set in the present. This includes even shows that have speculative content. (X-files, for example. ) So how would suits view the options...what is the bottom line?

This gives me an idea for a new Trek show which would be affordable - and possibly quite terrible (or actually decent):

Someone is screwing with the timeline, causing the Federation to cease to exist, so the show follows Federation agents as they travel to different times in Earth's history to fix the problems and stop the baddies. This would be cheaper to produce than a show set in the future, as they could just use the backlot or present day locations, as well as pre-existing wardrobe. One amusing facet would be to see how the world outside their future base has changed each time the agents come back from an operation (assuming their base is somehow "immune" to temporal skullduggery).

I realise this is basically a revival of the unpopular Temporal Cold War (from an insider perspective), but it would be doable, and with good writing it could be good. Quantum Leap has shown this genre can win an audience, and more recently there is the Canadian show Continuum. It could even be a "stealth" Trek show, designed to stand alone but with subtle continuity references for the fans.

Just get Scott Bakula back as one of Captain Archer's relatives named Sam and throw it out as Star Trek/Quantum Leap hybrid.

 

[martok2112]

Quantum Trek?

Star Leap?

Leaping Trek?

 

[eyeresist]

Quantum Wars. It's commercial!

 

[Wulff359]

I think going back to prime will be costly, as CBS recently auctioned off and threw away the entire material of the Star Trek lore.
With all material in store, not all props and sets would have to be created from scratch, which narrows down the costs for a potential new pilot (off course you can always fall back to the Art Asylum collectibles...).
On the other hand, the lineup of the nu Movies now became stars themselfes, so alone the ensemble costs would pretty much get outrageously high.
As much as I would like to see a new prime TV Show - my money is on a complete reboot. Brand new sets, brand new props (did anyone notice that they did not even have WiFi on the Star Ships?). Actors most of us never heard of and all the known races completely redone.

With a new first Encounter with the Borg - and a possible crossover to the old shows when the new show reaches 100 episodes.

But as long as CBS keeps their current boss, we will enjoy a couple more NCIS shows before any of that happenes.

 

[Tim Walker]

"Yesterdays Enterprise" is another example of an alternated timeline. So, yes, there was also a precedent in a television series.

 

[JWPlatt]

"Yesterdays Enterprise" is another example of an alternated timeline. So, yes, there was also a precedent in a television series.

It was an alternate timeline that healed itself back to its prime focus. The alternate timeline was an aberration to be avoided. Let's hope the Abramsverse can heal itself similarly.

 

[Tim Walker]

It was an alternate timeline that healed itself back to its prime focus. Let's hope the Abramsverse can heal itself similarly.

So long as the Abramsverse is profitable it won't happen.

 

[BillJ]

It was an alternate timeline that healed itself back to its prime focus. Let's hope the Abramsverse can heal itself similarly.

So long as the Abramsverse is profitable it won't happen.

I just can't see a scenario where we go back to the Prime timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

The TNG writers bible (which I recently read for the first time) mentions the "IDIC philosophy" on a few occasions, explaining to writers that it's an important part of Star Trek.

It's hard for me to get over the "fruit of the poisonous tree" of real world profit motive as regards IDIC.

I agree. Reading Nimoy's conversation with GR about it definitely gave me a different perspective regarding the concept.

 

[Cyke101]

"Yesterdays Enterprise" is another example of an alternated timeline. So, yes, there was also a precedent in a television series.

It was an alternate timeline that healed itself back to its prime focus. The alternate timeline was an aberration to be avoided. Let's hope the Abramsverse can heal itself similarly.

Parallels showed multiple timelines that *didn't* heal themselves once everything was resolved, it merely restored the barriers that separated them. The only difference was that none of the ones featured were the ones that the TV show belonged in. So there's precedence for the nature the Abramsverse adopted, merely from the other side of the line.

 

[mos6507]

This point has been made in several different threads-it is just cheaper to produce shows set in the present. This includes even shows that have speculative content. (X-files, for example. ) So how would suits view the options...what is the bottom line?

Despite the proliferation of reality TV, there's a fair number of genre stuff on TV these days. It's just most of it is either superhero, fantasy, period pieces, or fairy-tale, (or zombies), but the budgets required for those can't be that far off from a Trek show. So these bets are being made on a routine basis, many of them paying off nicely.

But it's not like we're contemplating the production techniques of 1978 BSG here. Labor costs persist, but technology has still made it cheaper to get a shot in the can than ever before, and who even shoots on film anymore?

That JJ burns through hundreds of millions doesn't mean you can't get something as good or even better on a TV budget.

 

[The Doctor]

That JJ burns through hundreds of millions doesn't mean you can't get something as good or even better on a TV budget.

That's exactly what it means.

There's no television show short of Game of Thrones that has even close to the kind of budget required to deliver feature-quality effects.

 

[Ithekro]

The weirdest way would be if it morphed into (more or less) TOS by the end.