Will they create a new Batmobile?

[Cary L. Brown]

I never really liked the Tumbler, I really hope he gets a new car in the next film.

Plus after the incident where he was nearly exposed by someone who found the Tumber's design I would imagine he will try to distance himself from Wayne Enterprise equipment.

Closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped?

The guy who discovered that was an extraordinarily resouceful "hacker" who clearly dug past some barriers to find that information. He's not a "villain" in the conventional sense, but he's a near PERFECT fit for the latter-day version of "The Calculator" (who's been seen in that new guise a lot in recent years, leading up to the "52" event in the comics). The guy is basically the "dark" version of Barbara Gordon's "Oracle". Except that while Oracle is a mysterious unknown figure who feeds information to and coordinates the actions of HEROES, this guy is the mysterious data-mining genius who feeds information and assignments to a variety of bat guys.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

Now that Batman is actively being hunted by the law he'll have to be much more stealth oriented. I suspect developing a smaller, sleaker Batmobile will keep Lucius Fox busy for a while.

Except that Lucius resigned because of what Bruce/Batman had him come up with to find the Joker.

No, he didn't. He threatened to resign, and Batman responded by giving Fox the power to destroy the monitoring system once the current crisis was over. Which he did.

My only complaint with all of that was "How did Bruce put that system together by himself overnight???"

 

[DWF]

My only complaint with all of that was "How did Bruce put that system together by himself overnight???"

There was a line earlier in the movie about Bruce taking the research dept. out of Fox's hands for a while so I thought he was working on something big.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

My only complaint with all of that was "How did Bruce put that system together by himself overnight???"

There was a line earlier in the movie about Bruce taking the research dept. out of Fox's hands for a while so I thought he was working on something big.

True enough... but he'd never seen the "cell phone sonar" system prior to the visit to Hong Kong... (or at least he SAID he hadn't!). So, logically, he had to design, order the components for, install, and test/qualify the system during what was really only a matter of a few days. Unless he'd been working on it all for a long time prior to Hong Kong...

... which would make for a MAJOR issue with Fox (trust between these two is an absolute requirement... it was the trust issue that made Fox threaten to resign, after all!)

 

[DWF]

... which would make for a MAJOR issue with Fox (trust between these two is an absolute requirement... it was the trust issue that made Fox threaten to resign, after all!)

No Fox threatened to retire because the creation of the super sonar phone gave the user too much power in his opinion, in some ways making a person pretty godlike and he didn't want to be a part of that.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

... which would make for a MAJOR issue with Fox (trust between these two is an absolute requirement... it was the trust issue that made Fox threaten to resign, after all!)

No Fox threatened to retire because the creation of the super sonar phone gave the user too much power in his opinion, in some ways making a person pretty godlike and he didn't want to be a part of that.

Which is a trust issue. Which was my point.

 

[DWF]

... which would make for a MAJOR issue with Fox (trust between these two is an absolute requirement... it was the trust issue that made Fox threaten to resign, after all!)

No Fox threatened to retire because the creation of the super sonar phone gave the user too much power in his opinion, in some ways making a person pretty godlike and he didn't want to be a part of that.

Which is a trust issue. Which was my point.

IMO it's a power issue even knowing about the machine Fox still wanted t o leave since he thought that nobody should have that much power, he was only satisfied once the machine was destroyed. Of course that doesn't mean it can't be rebuilt at some later date.

 

[nx1701g]

^ Ok let's just say it was both a Power issue and a Trust issue.

 

[Samurai8472]

. No goofy "bat-symbol fighter jet" and NO WEAPONS (another thing Burton did which pissed me off!)

I'm sure some people like not having to think about where batman got his gear(89 batman) but personally I'd like explanations

Did bruce steal missiles and machine guns from some armory and just attach it to his bat related vehicles?

 

[Psion]

They have a spare tumbler.

Do they now? I wonder what makes you say that ... "Batman Begins" describes the Tumbler as being "... built as a bridging vehicle. During combat, two of these would jump over a river, towing cables ... we never could get the damned bridge to work, but this baby works just fine." There's no indication that two Tumblers were built, only that two would be used in combat. The idea that the Tumbler was a lone prototype is reinforced by referring to it in the singular "this baby".

I'm pretty sure there's only one Tumbler.

Ummm. Did you just read what you wrote?

I'll highlight the key points for you:

"During combat two of these would jump over a river..."
"we never could get the dammed bridge to work."

Emphasis mine.

Going by your line of reasoning (that there's only one) the reason why they couldn't get the bridge to work is because they were, apparently, only trying it with one when the process requires two.

Going by my line of reasoning, the bridge is a separate system. The Tumblers weren't towing the bridge, they were towing cables (presumably used to put the bridge into place). So, by my line of reasoning, a single Tumbler was built as a prototype to test the vehicle's ability to jump rivers, and an unsuccessful attempt to build a bridge that worked with pre-laid cables meant there was no need to continue the program.

I draw your attention once more to Fox's description of the Tumbler as a single vehicle. He didn't say "these babies work just fine", he said "this baby works just fine."

 

[Reverend]

Well another one did turn up hooked into Fox's lab in Gotham Knight, so maybe that's your answer right there.

 

[Trekker4747]

Do they now? I wonder what makes you say that ... "Batman Begins" describes the Tumbler as being "... built as a bridging vehicle. During combat, two of these would jump over a river, towing cables ... we never could get the damned bridge to work, but this baby works just fine." There's no indication that two Tumblers were built, only that two would be used in combat. The idea that the Tumbler was a lone prototype is reinforced by referring to it in the singular "this baby".

I'm pretty sure there's only one Tumbler.

Ummm. Did you just read what you wrote?

I'll highlight the key points for you:

"During combat two of these would jump over a river..."
"we never could get the dammed bridge to work."

Emphasis mine.

Going by your line of reasoning (that there's only one) the reason why they couldn't get the bridge to work is because they were, apparently, only trying it with one when the process requires two.

Going by my line of reasoning, the bridge is a separate system. The Tumblers weren't towing the bridge, they were towing cables (presumably used to put the bridge into place). So, by my line of reasoning, a single Tumbler was built as a prototype to test the vehicle's ability to jump rivers, and an unsuccessful attempt to build a bridge that worked with pre-laid cables meant there was no need to continue the program.

I draw your attention once more to Fox's description of the Tumbler as a single vehicle. He didn't say "these babies work just fine", he said "this baby works just fine."

Silly semantics.

They're sitting in a single vechile, "this baby works fine" makes far more sense to say than "these babys work fine."

"This" could also be an inclusive singular, meaning "this" (as in the Tumbler bridging system) refered to both vechiles.

The bridging system, by Fox's own words, requires two vechiles. Fox's own words also highly suggests the bridging system was tested and failed.

Ergo. There were two tumblers out there before Bruce destroyed one.

 

[Psion]

Ummm. Did you just read what you wrote?

I'll highlight the key points for you:

"During combat two of these would jump over a river..."
"we never could get the dammed bridge to work."

Emphasis mine.

Going by your line of reasoning (that there's only one) the reason why they couldn't get the bridge to work is because they were, apparently, only trying it with one when the process requires two.

Going by my line of reasoning, the bridge is a separate system. The Tumblers weren't towing the bridge, they were towing cables (presumably used to put the bridge into place). So, by my line of reasoning, a single Tumbler was built as a prototype to test the vehicle's ability to jump rivers, and an unsuccessful attempt to build a bridge that worked with pre-laid cables meant there was no need to continue the program.

I draw your attention once more to Fox's description of the Tumbler as a single vehicle. He didn't say "these babies work just fine", he said "this baby works just fine."

Silly semantics.

They're sitting in a single vechile, "this baby works fine" makes far more sense to say than "these babys work fine."

"This" could also be an inclusive singular, meaning "this" (as in the Tumbler bridging system) refered to both vechiles.

The bridging system, by Fox's own words, requires two vechiles. Fox's own words also highly suggests the bridging system was tested and failed.

Ergo. There were two tumblers out there before Bruce destroyed one.

But ... the bridging system didn't work just fine. They "never could get the damned bridge to work." Remember? So that wasn't the inclusive singular. He was referring to the Tumbler vehicle itself.

I'm coming at this from a prototyper's perspective. If I'm building a system that has two identical, complicated and unproven components, I'm not going to waste time and money building both simultaneously. I'll build one, test it, work out any bugs and incorporate changes in the design spec for the second unit. It's unlikely both Tumblers were produced simultaneously. The question is, how long did the designers work on the "damned bridge" before giving up on the project? If they gave up on the bridge before Tumbler 2 was finished or even started, there's only one Tumbler.

I understand that you're proposing that both vehicles were built (either simultaneously or one after the other). I'm simply pointing out that "silly semantics" or not, the dialog is hardly conclusive one way or the other.

Reverend has the best answer in this regard ... the inclusion of a Tumbler in "Gotham Knights" suggests another Tumbler. But again, "Gotham Knights" takes place before "Dark Knight", so it's possible that was still Tumbler one. After all, with Wayne Manor burned down and still unrepaired, Tumbler one might still be kept or at least serviced in Fox's lab.

 

[HRHTheKING]

The new Batmobile in the next movie should look like the Tumbler.


I love that design.

 

[Praetor]

Venardhi, I like that design; it reminds me of Nemo's car from the League of Extraordinary gentlemen.

I have a few thoughts. I have never been crazy about the Tumbler as I grew up seeing Batman with a Batmobile (read: car) and resent the idea of him using a tank. Now that he's a hunted man, I imagine he will do something similar to what he did with the suit: trade durability for speed and stealth. I could see the third movie starting with him in a low-key black sports-car similar to the dutch concept shown above or even something more ordinary like a Viper, and by the end of the movie, or by whatever point in the movie his reputation is redeemed, he switches to something with more of a 'Bat-livery.'

Which brings me to my point; something hinted at in 'Dark Knight' is the fact that Batman's presence or the suggestion of his presence is as powerful as his deeds, as with Gordon with the signal on early in the film. Of course Batman doesn't want to paint a target on himself, but it might not help with the superstitious and cowardly lot bit if, once he's reached an 'understanding' with the people of Gotham that they see that it's the Batman barreling down their streets or soaring through their skies, and what better way to do that than with a proper Batmobile or Batwing that really shows his presence and helps feed the Legend of the Dark Knight.

(Ooh, I think I just named the next movie.)



EDIT:

I think that this car would be a potentially good basis: the Lambourghini Alar

 

[Venardhi]

Not exactly to my tastes, and also it occurs to me that any sort of recognizable brand-name sports car like that would be a bad choice: production runs are small(and thus harder to hide the purchase of), repairs would be a hassle, and in the end those cars are not really made to hold up to the rigors of Batman's nightly life and would need heavy modification anyways (to the point it would no longer be a recognizable brand-name sports car; compare the '89 Corvettte with the '89 Batmobile)

 

[Jayson]

Just a idea but how about making the next Batmobile a suped-up Hummer or Hummer type of vehicle? That is something that could actually blend in and still have some of the tank qualities that the Tumbler had. If not not you could always go with a van of some sort. If they go with a car you can do the James Bond thing were the car looks normal on the outside but has all sorts of gadgets to it that can be used in a fight.


Jason

 

[Samurai8472]

once he's reached an 'understanding' with the people of Gotham that they see that it's the Batman barreling down their streets or soaring through their skies, and what better way to do that than with a proper Batmobile or Batwing that really shows his presence and helps feed the Legend of the Dark Knight.

I think Batman's vehicles in the future will be treated like emergency vehicles. Whenever you seem him barreling down the street you'd better pull over to the side!

 

[BigFoot]

I'd love it if they brought the tumbler back. That thing kicks ass.

 

[CommodoreKong]

I never really liked the Tumbler, I really hope he gets a new car in the next film.

Plus after the incident where he was nearly exposed by someone who found the Tumber's design I would imagine he will try to distance himself from Wayne Enterprise equipment.

Closing the barn door after the horses have already escaped?

The guy who discovered that was an extraordinarily resouceful "hacker" who clearly dug past some barriers to find that information. He's not a "villain" in the conventional sense, but he's a near PERFECT fit for the latter-day version of "The Calculator" (who's been seen in that new guise a lot in recent years, leading up to the "52" event in the comics). The guy is basically the "dark" version of Barbara Gordon's "Oracle". Except that while Oracle is a mysterious unknown figure who feeds information to and coordinates the actions of HEROES, this guy is the mysterious data-mining genius who feeds information and assignments to a variety of bat guys.

I thought that guy was just some lawyer or something working for Wayne Enterprises who happened to stumble on the blue prints for the Tumbler.

Even if he's some hacker or something, I'm sure that at least some of the Wayne Enterprises technology he uses has been seen by some people outside of the company (mainly high level members of the military, who would be the primary group interested in buying this type of stuff). Having links between Batman and Wayne Enterprises is dangerous for Bruce at this point, he doesn't need the spotlight drawn to him and his company.